The Saudis seem to think we should respect their barbaric, primitive, incompetent, bloodthirsty justice system. And I use justice in the loosest possible terms, here.
Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister has urged Britain to “respect” his country’s use of the death penalty, two weeks after the oil-rich kingdom executed 47 people in one day.
Including people who merely had the effrontery to protest against the regime. In no civilised or rational country is this a capital offence. However we are talking about Saudi Arabia here, a country that follows the vile Wahhabist version of Islam, that uses Sharia, an incompetent evidence-free system of justice and ruthlessly persecutes dissenters. So, no, I don’t respect them, their justice system or their use of the death penalty.
Well on this issue we have a fundamental difference. In your country, you do no execute people, we respect it. In our country the death penalty is part of our laws and you have to respect this as it is the law, part of the law, in the United States and other countries.
We don’t have to do anything of the sort. Respect is earned. Executing people without a proper, fair trial for trivial offences – that in any civilised country are not offences at all – does not earn my respect. So, no, I do not have to respect you or your barbaric system.
With regards to the perception of Saudi Arabia among the British public, this is a problem we need to work on. We have not been good at explaining ourselves, we have not done a good job at reaching out to the British media or to the British public or to the British institutions, academic institutions, think thanks and so forth.
Ah, yes, that old shtick. The “you don’t understand” because “we didn’t get our message across”. We understand perfectly. Yours is a nasty, primitive, medieval country that follows an equally uncivilised death-cult created by a murdering monster. Pretty easy to comprehend, really. Those of us who inhabit the 21st Century as opposed to the 7th, do not believe that protesters should have their heads chopped off. That’s because we are civilised and you are not.
But you forget , in this multicultural nirvana we live in ALL and I mean ALL cultures are equal , and since they are equal , you cannot be judgmental.
It’s a crock of S@&t , isn’t it?
I thin respect is the wrong word. Accept would be better?
Nah, contempt, despise, derision, loathing, disgust…
Respect has to be earned:- it can not be demanded or expected.
“We have not been good at explaining ourselves, we have not done a good job at reaching out to the British media or to the British public or to the British institutions, academic institutions, think thanks and so forth”
On the contrary they seem to have done an excellent job on our institutions and media. Everything good is the work of Muslims and everything bad has nothing to with Islam, (I’m told daily).
Not that our justice system is good. It is still only as good as you can afford and although we don’t have the death penalty officially I’m sure Jean Charles de Menezes and that poor guy with a table leg among others would disagree.
It’s their gaff and their laws. Over here we have laws that are better but tptb don’t even follow them when it suits them with no repercussions. At least over there they know what they are getting into and chose to break the laws.
Wait until we don’t need the oil and see what that does to our relationship.
Well, yes and no. If someone goes to Saudi and then falls foul of their repressive laws, tough shit, frankly. The two cases you cite are probably not the best example as these were both police incompetence, not a failure of the justice system, unlike the Birmingham six. No our system is far from perfect, but compared to the Saudi one, it’s a shining beacon of fairness.
Well, the Saudi’s are falling out with the Iranians who are shortly to become a nuclear power. Both have repressive cultures and stage barbaric public executions. Wonder if they’ll do the decent thing and wipe each other out?
Perhaps you might find the story at this site interesting: http://www.4liberty.org.uk/2016/01/17/suicide-notes-2-uk-police-islam-rule-of-law/
And even this shows the US legal system in a reasonable and sensible light – but US criminals in the appropriate light. You gotta laugh…
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/01/18/the-facebook-post-that-led-directly-to-jail-for-more-than-15-years/?utm_source=Naked+Security+-+Sophos+List&utm_campaign=293f0e8a06-naked%252Bsecurity&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_31623bb782-293f0e8a06-418427029