Peter Hargreaves, the billionaire who was the second biggest donor to the 2016 leave campaign, and veteran hedge fund manager Crispin Odey told Reuters they expect Britain to stay in the EU despite their campaign victory in the 2016 referendum.
I’m inclined to agree. This is what happens when you put one of the losing side in charge of taking the winning side’s argument to Brussels. We had an opportunity. We could – and should – have walked away. We had the power to unilaterally issue our terms regarding commonly agreed standards, an invisible border in Ireland, the right of EU citizens resident in the UK and so on. We were in a position of strength. Sure, there was always going to be disruption. I accepted that when I voted because I wanted to get rid of an undemocratic and unaccountable oligarchy in Brussels.
Ah, but of course, we didn’t know what we were voting for. Yes we bloody well did. We voted to leave the EU. Not BrINA. We did not vote to become a vassal state beholden to the whim of those aforementioned bureaucrats.
Ah, but we was propagandised by lies. Like the ones peddled by David Cameron to every household at our expense? The remain campaign lied through its teeth. It had the establishment behind it while it lied and yet it still managed to lose. And by God, what bad losers they proved to be. Both sides lied. It doesn’t matter. We voted to leave and leave we should.
And if Hargreaves and Odey are right? Well, it means that those of us who wanted to leave were right all along. A Pyrrhic victory, it will be though. What we have witnessed in the two and a half years since the referendum is the sheer disdain for the democratic process on display. Not to mention the disdain by those who think we are inferior because we hold a different opinion about the best future for this country. Our political establishment are a stain on our democracy, they have betrayed everything they are supposed to represent. But, above all, they have betrayed the country and its people.
In order to stay in the EU, the Government would have to introduce a Bill into Parliament repealing the EU Withdrawal Act 2018, and have it pass before 29 March 2019 at 11pm.
And that would blow the lid off.
It seems that few people understand the UK MUST leave the EU on that date come what may, because it is the law. Mrs May and some others have pointed this out a number of times. It is not contingent on any deal or Article 50 or the price of fish or anything else.
I do wonder what people think an Act of Parliament is or why we bother to have them if they are discretionary and can be ignored by Government or some vociferous bunch in Parliament or elsewhere.
That there is an Act (ironically it came about thanks to the legal shinannigans of Remainers at the High Court) was specifically to prevent Government using Royal Perogative to prevent Brexit, and it was drafted with time and date fixed, specifically to prevent departure being delayed ad infinitum by Parliamentary hocus-pocus or Government machinations.
Those posturing about blocking no deal or wanting a second referendum or more bizarre ‘extending or revoking Article 50’ (whatever that is supposed to mean since it is a clause in an international treaty) are just working themselves.
Given the utter disdain expressed so far fro the process, I wouldn’t be surprised if they overturn the law because “crashing out” is untenable for them.
I’m not disagreeing with you here, merely expressing weary cynicism.
“Well, it means that those of us who wanted to leave were right all along. A Pyrrhic victory, it will be though. What we have witnessed in the two and a half years since the referendum is the sheer disdain for the democratic process on display. “
I predict a riot.
Yeah, that wouldn’t surprise me either.
Just one riot. I think not. I predict many riots, just like the Yellow Vests (whom the press have been prevented from mentioning)
God alone knows what will happen after she loses the vote next week.
If there is a vote of no confidence in the government – and I predict Corbyn will not call one – that will delay things for another couple of weeks.
The nuclear option is there – dissolve parliament and call a general election for 4th April thus shutting down the House for the whole of March and forcing a no deal.
May is a busted flush and she knows it so what does she have to lose by doing this? Nothing. But she’s too damned stupid to see it and a Remainer to boot.
I predict an extension to Article 50. It’ll achieve nothing but it will keep us in.
Treasonous bastards the lot of them. I predict widespread civil unrest that will make the Poll TAx look like a Sunday afternoon picnic in the park…
If we do not leave the EU on Mar29 there will be widespread civil unrest.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if May’s non deal passes.
Whatever happens in the streets in the aftermath of staying in, i can’t wait till the next general election (presumably one will held or are they an option to be altered to suit the traitors of the country?), when we can kick the tory party into well deserved oblivion.
Those who rule over us will rue the day they betrayed the country, because what will replace the tory party will not be to their liking one little bit.
I hope Gerard Batten and the leaders of other patriotic parties are up for it, hopefully they have had talks already to bury the hatchet, and allow in those who used to be in groups like ex BNP/EDL, whom Farage banned.
United under one banner (my enemy in my enemy’s enemy) the patriots of this country can utterly destroy the present discredited establishment parties with nothing more violent than voting slips, and not before time either, if we are divided they will carry on doing their worse, the days of being worried about a bit of bad press because some bod like Tommy Robinson isn’t liked by tory elite are over.
Neither the tory elite nor the champagne socialists would piss on the genuine working people, the backbone, of this country if they were on fire, and it’s high time we followed their example.
The political classes may indeed manage to thwart Brexit and institute a BRINO, and if they do they will think they have won. But they won’t have.
In the last 2 years since the vote its become very clear what direction the EU is going, all the things that the Remain campaign denied that the EU would become have been openly promoted and are now firmly on the agenda. So the EU will do one of two things, either move rapidly towards becoming a fully functioning State, with full taxation and spending powers, and control of national economies, and its own foreign policy and an EU army to back it up, or it will rapidly start to fall apart as increasing numbers of EU member states elect anti-EU governments. Italy already has one. The French Presidential election of 2022 looks set to be a doozy, with every chance that the French will be so enraged by the Macron debacle that Le Pen and co finally get the nod. There is going to be the mother of all battles between these two internal EU forces (more integration vs more nation states) over the next few years. Which will win is open to question, but one will triumph.
So either way the EU is going to not be as it is today. Its either going to be even further away from us having integrated more, or its going to have fallen apart and become a far more loose affiliation of nation states. The original long standing political class plan to draw the UK inch by inch into a EU superstate cannot now occur – even in a BRINO, we will not legally be in the EU, therefore we cannot participate in any further integration. We will be left behind. And if the EU collapses into a looser collection of independent states then thats fine too.
So the political class have failed in their long term aim, regardless of the Brexit outcome. We can no longer be drawn into an EU superstate (if one occurs) and will slowly over time become more and more detached from it, while maintaining our fundamental independence. It may take decades, but I’m happy to wait.