Theresa May will launch a last-ditch bid to win round MPs to her Brexit deal today – warning that voting it down will probably mean staying in the EU.
They really, really don’t give a fuck about the democratic result. They really, really don’t give a fuck about what promises they made to enact the outcome of the referendum. They have been pissing on it ever since the result. And here we are. Remain or remain, that’s the choice. Take it or leave it.
A dozen Tory former ministers including Boris Johnson have urged wavering colleagues to stand firm against the deal, saying leaving on World Trade Organisation terms would not be a disaster.
It wouldn’t.
But Remainers from across parties are plotting an extraordinary bid to seize control from the government if it tries to push ahead with a no-deal Brexit. Conservative MP Nick Boles today confirmed plans to tear up Commons rules so MPs could propose legislation – something the government currently has power over.
Ministers fear Speaker John Bercow would help the rebellion. Last week he flouted procedural convention to select an amendment from Tory former minister Dominic Grieve which attempts to speed up the process for the Government to reveal what it will do next if the PM’s Brexit deal is rejected.
Traitorous scum.
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God’s help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.
Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!
Oliver Cromwell
I have nothing to add to that…
If these people steal Brexit from us, what do they think the consequences will be? It is a racing certainty that there will be more than one disenfranchised person who feels sufficiently aggrieved that they resort to violence. In the UK, as opposed to France, the violence is more likely to be targeted at culpable individuals rather than random. The UK may be divided now, but that is nothing to how divided it will be if Brexit does not happen.
If they are planning treachery then they’d better be about it, but prepare a fast horse and a deep hole on the other side of the earth to hide in, because once you break the covenant between the government and the governed you lose both its power and its protection. Like a smashed pot, it’s very hard to put back together again.
As the Sibyl prophesied “Bella, horrida bella et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno“.
Not quite sure her foresight extended to a muddy tide pool in Londinium, but you never know. Funny things these prophecies.
The Traitor MPs who represent themselves – not electorate, party or manifesto – are stealing any semblance of democracy.
I hope Yellow Vest UK grows – sadly James Goddard arrested and banned from London. Another political prisoner like TR, Amy et al
A Remain journo
They claim to be asserting parliamentary sovereignty, but what they are plotting is constitutional outrage: The insidious Remainer coup that must be smashed
Civil War, Military Coup – even biker coup – appeals more every day.
I’m wondering what we need to do about it. If there is a no deal vote and this is used as an excuse to cancel Brexit, I’m not sure that is even possible at this stage but if they do, what practical action can we take? I don’t think that is now acceptable to just leave it to other people, I feel that I have a duty to act but I’m not sure what will work.
Get your yellow vest on. Block roads, especially motorways, block bridges over the Thames.
Almost certain to be a second referendum . Remain likely to win since millenials have been heavily manipulated by BBC and other Remain organs. However, declaring the previous vote invalid does not make a new vote valid either. What I suggest is that Grieve and co should pay the costs of the last invalid campaign and result AND the new one by the simple expedient of having the money deducted from their salaries.
We’ve already had the 2nd referendum – in June 2016. There is no time to have a 3rd referendum as it needs 22 weeks lead time, and that takes us past March 29th.
Ideed and as John B pointed out in an earlier thread, unless the 2018 withdrawal bill is repealed before 29th March we will on that day leave and all treaties up to then will no longer apply.
Are they simply going to pretend the 2018 bill doesn’t exist? (I wouldn’t put it past them).
On what legal basis would any subsequent “negotiations” be held. A third referendum surely could not have “remain” as an option as we will legally (ours, theirs and internationally as I understand it) have left. It would need to say rejoin. And perhaps more to the point, EU laws and treaties would have to be ignored for us to “stay”. I’m sure there are EU countries that would catch this subtle nuance.
In the event of a successful no confidence vote, May could set the election date after 29 March.
The result of the 2016 referendum should be honoured. The rejoiners can then form a party, say the UK Subjugation to Europe Party (UKSEP) and campaign for a referendum to rejoin the EU without the current opt-outs.
Precisely this. We had a vote – Cameron promised to honour that result. The subsequent act of parliament reiterated that. If those who were unhappy with the result wish to campaign to rejoin, they are free to do so. To overturn the current result is undemocratic.
What authority, legal or otherwise, would another referendum have if the authorities can just ignore the result if it doesn’t suit them?
Same as currently, which is that referendums are indicative unless the politicians confirm in subsequent Hansard statements and manifestos that they will fully implement the result of said referendums (which both main parties did in the 2017 General Election)