What to do with a girl like Shamima

February 22, 2019 Longrider Civil Liberties, General News, misanthropy, Political 20

You won’t often find me agreeing with Gary Younge, but in the case of Shamima Begum, I’m inclined to agree.

Sajid Javid makes Britain look weak by refusing to take back a groomed teenager – nationality doesn’t depend on whim

As this story has developed, it looks as if the Bangladeshi nationality that Sajid Javid used as an excuse to revoke her citizenship is somewhat shaky. The Bangladeshis seem to think that she isn’t a citizen. So as far as the law is concerned, a government cannot make someone stateless. And it is looking as though that might be the case here.

Donald Trump also made a valid point – along the lines of, it’s our mess, we should clear it up. If we don’t take her back, then she will get up to mischief somewhere else. Again, he has a point. We did, after all, take back Lord Haw Haw. Briefly.

And therein lies the point – sure, we should take her back, but as a defector who switched her allegiance to an enemy state that was at war with us, simply walking back into her old life should not be an option. The problem we face is that our political system along with our judicial system has become so ineffectual that Cressida Dick’s “talking to” is about all we can expect – which is very much why most people do not want to take a viper to their bosom. Also, her child, if she continues to care for him, will be groomed to hate us as much as she does – a future jihadi in the making.

So what to do, eh? I really don’t like the idea of politicians making people stateless on the wave of public opinion, because once that precedent is set, it will expand to anyone the political elite find inconvenient. The rule of law must stand. On the other hand, Shamima Begum is, by her own account, a danger to us.

Those who took Lord Haw Haw back had no such angst.

20 Comments

  1. But surely we have some overseas territories (I’m thinking like the Falklands but not the Falklands, they don’t deserve the detritus) where the returning jihadists could be sent to? Still in Britain but far enough away to be harmless.

    • Saint Helena has form in that regard or possibly Pitcairn?

      We could create a new jihadi prison on St Kilda. I suspect the possibility of Islamically radicalised seabirds is fairly low. Certainly the seagulls of Perth and Kinross seem to have enough anger issues already.

          • South Georgia? Yes

            Phil Campion thinks we should make it harder for migrants to cross the Channel.

            Agree. Stop offering a taxi service to UK; RNLI supporters are stopping donations.

            HM Border McBoaty – “Taxi to South Georgia or are you going back to France?”

            Verhofstat rant – he implies France is a third world sh!thole with millions wanting out, but Germany et al closed so UK must accept all fleeing France.

  2. I think there’s far more to this story than appears. That near identical stories are also being pushed in the USA, Canada, and France (and possibly more I’ve not heard of) at the same time seems suspicious.

    The rule of law must stand.

    People like Gary Younge couldn’t give a damn about the law. All they care about is power. And they see Muslim filth as both an ally and route to getting power. If they didn’t they wouldn’t think twice about her. As shown by John McDonnell wanting Brits who join the IDF to be classified as terrorists and stripped of their citizenship.

    And how many times have you broken the law today? How many times have I? How many times has anyone? Though I doubt anyone knows, I’d bet my life it’s more than zero. Yet how many times has anyone turned themselves in for these crimes?

    Officer, I went 20mph over the speed limit on the motorway at 3am, charge me!

    Officer, I watched porn for free, charge me!

    Offer, my website doesn’t have a cookie notice, charge me!

    It’s not going to be far from zero. And I doubt you, or almost anyone else, cares. I certainly don’t. So, at least for me, claiming I care about the rule of law is nonsense. Maybe not in theory – if we had rules that punished wrongdoers and left everyone else alone – but we don’t.

    And I am fully aware of the idea that if you give the state cart blanche it will undoubtedly use it in all sorts of nefarious, unintended ways. Because of course it will.

    But to a degree it already does. Rule of law? Yes if you’re some foreigner or Muslim terrorist who wants a free house and benefits for life. No if you’re a schoolgirl being gang raped by Muslim filth. Yes if you’re an IRA murderer. No if you’re a British solider who was fighting them. And so on.

    We seldom see the good and the great getting their knickers in a twist about any of those cases. It’s only that this is a rare case that’s gone against them are they bothered.

    So I couldn’t care less I don’t want her, or her ilk, in this country. Though I suspect she’s being used as a smokescreen and to try to score some political points while dozens, if not hundreds or thousands more are gleefully being let in.

    • In order for the law to be respected it needs to be clearly defined and applied equally to all citizens without regard to race, religion or any other irrelevant factor. 150 years ago, public opinion was inflamed by the injustices that occurred because the authorities failed to recognise this simple truth. Nowadays people only become aware of injustice when they experience it for themselves.

  3. ‘groomed’ – the get out of gaol free card of nowadays. Groomed = has no free will, too stupid to think for self, no responsibility, exonerated of cost and consequence of choices made, such cost and consequences fall on others because… ‘groomed’.

    And certainly do not make an example to discourage others from being ‘groomed’.

  4. We all know that despite what the HS says that’s she’s coming back. If a left-wing paper flies her back and present her to immigration then we are stuck with her.

    • Not that I have any love for traitors, but the basis for Lord Haw Haw being found guilty of treason was dubious at best. It would have been better to throw him in with the Nuremberg trial and let him take his chances with the rest.

    • They’ll have fun with that one. Because US citizens that joined ISIS face 60 year jail terms upon returning. Probably why they aren’t that keen.

          • capricious and incompetent state

            I’d prefer death to rest of life in prison, especially under a capricious and incompetent state.

          • I think you may have missed my point here. It’s only a matter of when, not if, that capricious and incompetent state kills innocent people. I don’t trust the state to tie my shoelaces, let alone to have the power of life and death over its citizens.

  7. Every time Ms Jihadi 2019 suggests that she was brainwashed and she has changed, she should be asked what ‘taqquiya’* means.
    * It is permissible and not dishonourable to lie to one’s enemies if it furthers the cause of Islam.

  9. Good:

    Britain is not to blame for Shamima Begum’s radicalisation

    …One problem of this spreading around of blame is that it allows people who may actually to be to blame to get off the hook. Rather than handing out a portion of blame to every household in the land why shouldn’t we all (led by the government’s extremism commissioner) start pointing fingers at the friends, families and mosque of these disgusting girls. What would we see if we did?

    Before Shamima and her two school friends went out to join ISIS another school friend had gone out ahead of them. This was the confusingly closely named Sharmeena Begum. She seems to have encouraged the three girls – including Shamima – to follow in her wake. That is a good and specific place to start laying some blame…

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/britain-is-not-at-blame-for-shamima-begums-radicalisation/

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