52% to 48%. Leave means leave, doesn’t it?
The majority of Scots would vote for independence in another referendum, according to a shock new poll conducted in the wake of Boris Johnson’s visit to Edinburgh.
In a significant blow to the prime minister’s attempts to shore up the union, a survey by pollster Lord Ashcroft put backing for Scottish independence at 46 per cent, with 43 per cent against.
Support for independence rose to 52 per cent, with 48 per cent against, when those who said they did not know how they would vote or said they would not vote were removed.
Cheerio, then. Don’t trip over the Barnett formula on your way out.
Good, finally be rid of the whiners! What’s the definition of a Scotsman with a balanced personality? He’s got a chip on BOTH shoulders!
So does that mean that we have to give them another referendum because the last time they got the answer wrong?
Yes, apparently.
I actually believe that the Scots do NOT want independence. if they did, then they would sell the concept as “This means the break up of the United Kingdom so everyone should have a say”. I am willing to bet that an overwhelming majority of the English would vote to get rid of the whining faced haggis munchers.
As for jobs and the economic benefits of English cash and subsidies, about 15 years ago I applied for a job near Linlithgow. I did some research and discovered 3 out of 4 jobs (that is THREE out of FOUR jobs or 75% in case you think that was a slip of the finger typing) were working for the government. Tax offices are a BIG employer which explains why my tax office was in Scotland and I could not visit them (or get sense out of them either). The jobs were pork barrelling put in place by Blair and Brown to keep them sweet. I actually cancelled the interview as I did not want to live in an area that would vote overwhelmingly left wing (the percentage would, I suspect, make the North Koreans embarrassed).
Stopping the one way flow of cash to Scotland with the Barnett formula, subsidies for their NHS to counter their lifestyle choices (deep fried Mars bars washed down with Tennants super strength lager), repatriating the jobs back to England, dismantling Faslane and letting the RBS go its own way after apportioning their share of the national debt would be a good start.
It won’t stop them moaning about the English for the next 2,000 years but at least England won’t be paying for them during that time.
There have always been genuine Scottish nationalists of course but modern nationalism began basically with north sea oil.
I well recall in 1974 the calculatedly offensive “England expects Scotland’s oil” campaign. And all we’ve had since is a mish mash of contempt, condescension, victimhood and self pity.
Are there any real Scots out there embarrassed by all this?
Nobody is stopping the SNP, then or now. Organise your referendum and if you vote leave we can discuss the break up like adults (we will anyway).
We won’t treat you as the EU is trying to treat the UK but the reality might not be to your taste.
How the EU will treat Scotland, now that’s another matter. There seems to be an irrational faith among independentistas that they will be welcomed with open arms. Methinks the reality would be different and it would be well worth an independence vote for that alone.
“Are there any real Scots out there embarrassed by all this?”
Yes. Acutely. Unfortunately not enough of us, as far as I can tell.
Of all the people I know, one (perhaps two) are in favour of independence.
Alan (Edinburgh)
Given the endless parade of petulant gurning remain half wits over the last three years I’m beginning to know how you must feel!
We’ll not make the same mistake as we made with the partition of Ireland, that’s for sure. Faslane would be relocated to England.
As for North Sea oil? I’m quite happy for the Scots to take it since they need a penny or two to fill the deficit between income and expenditure. The only proviso being that oil companies must use their capital expenditure to offset Scottish taxes rather than English ones. Seems fair to me.
Quite where the demented porridge wogs think this money is going to magically appear from post-independence, given no currency of their own and no ability to raise debt on any reasonable basis.
An independent Scotland would be bankrupt from day one, even IF the UK were to let them go without paying their share of the national debt.
“demented porridge wogs”
Brilliant!
Alan (Edinburgh)
In fairness, an insult that I picked up from Timmy in April 2015…
http://www.timworstall.com/2015/06/04/spurtle-sturgeon-and-the-demented-porridge-wogs/
John Galt (Perth, Scotland)
An independent Scotland would be bankrupt from day one
That’s why they joined the Union in the first place.
Don’t mention Panama.
I remember reading somewhere that only 200,000 people actually contributed to the economy. Many are unemployed and the others work for the government which is basically the same thing but on more money.
They can have Fsslane, exactly what do they think they’ll do with it? As far as North Sea Oil, they can fuck off! When that was discovered, they had a chanceto get in on it, but they got a wee bit too canny over the costs, now that all the work has been done, they think they can just snaffle it