Okay, okay, I know, this is what we already knew, but even so, he fails to abide by the old mantra of better to keep one’s mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and remove all doubt.
In Kate Bingham’s interview with the Financial Times, where she says that vaccinating the whole population is ‘not going to happen’ and would be ‘misguided’, she is deferring the holy grail of herd immunity for months beyond next spring, and saying we will be living with the virus for years. Because as chair of the UK Vaccine Taskforce, she is saying that only the old, vulnerable and those working in healthcare settings will be vaccinated.
In other words, the vaccine would be protection for those most likely to become acutely ill or whose services are most needed.
That’s a fair position, frankly. Target those most in need, which is what currently happens with the seasonal flu vaccine. This, always assuming that it is effective and with coronaviruses, there will never be a fully effective vaccine.
The other problem with this particular vaccine is the unseemly haste to bring it through the trial period. There is a reason we have properly conducted trials but never mind, panic has taken over and as a consequence, many of us will be rightly suspicious of the safety of the end result. This does not make me – or anyone else who is dubious about it – an antivaxxer. There is a role for vaccination. There may be a role for this one if it is developed properly with all the appropriate safeguards and acknowledgement that it will never be 100% effective. But the idea that we should all be vaccinated is simply nonsense. It is neither necessary nor desirable.
And vaccine specialists tell me that – paradoxically – the vaccine is more likely to be effective on young spreaders than on the old. So it is slightly odd perhaps that Kate Bingham wishes to close down that debate here.
She did no such thing, but don’t let the truth get in the way of that strawman. Here, then is the evidence we need – if we needed any more – that the so-called journalists of the MSM are either fools or ideologues – either way, they are professional liars as Peston demonstrates here. They are not journalists and they have no interest in truth or facts.
It seems odd to me that the new flu isn’t just included in the newest version of the seasonal flu jab. That is what I understood the seasonal flu jab was, an updated version that was an attempt to stay abreast of the constantly evolving flu bugs. Is the Covid 19 bug completely different from the already prevalent bugs? Or perhaps there is an element of bullshit in what I’ve been told about the seasonal flu jab.
“an updated version that was an attempt to stay abreast of the constantly evolving flu bugs.”
Not true. It is a cocktail of several flu strains, the specific strains used change each year, and are a wild guess at which strains will be circulating in that particular area, and that year.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/why-flu-vaccines-so-often-fail
That’s a bloody good question.
I keep hearing “it’s not the flu”, but every day, it looks more and more like the flu.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1312180625412038656
To the ignorant & the uninformed, maybe.
Flu does not remove your sesne of taste & smell & it does not produce dangerous blood-clots in your circulatory system
C-19 does all these things
It doesn’t have to be exactly the same disease to have the same impact and need the same mitigation.
Wuhan flu is doing about the same harm as influenza. It isn’t worth shutting down our society for.
You really are on a roll here. Covid is a similar virus. That is, an RNA coronavirus. There may be differences in the susceptible demographic and subtle differences in symptoms, but overall the thing is much the same as are the risks.
Previous variants have all led to outliers with long term damage. Covid is not unique in this regard.
To the ignorant & the uninformed, maybe.
Flu does not remove your sesne of taste & smell & it does not produce dangerous blood-clots in your circulatory system
C-19 does all these things
Evidence for your claim is?
C-19 is no more dangerous than Influenza, if it was as dangerous as Gov’t & media claim deaths From after 10 months would be hugely more than 0.003% of UK population
10x more are dying with Flu than with C-19 last few months
Social distancing, lockdowns, masks not stopping Flu yet Gov & msm maintain they stop C-19
@Greg, post your bedwetting at hectordrummond.com to entertain everyone
ALL the official & unoffical stistics say otherwise
Especially where it comes to deaths
C-19 is significantly more dangerous than influenza
I suggest you re-check your information
P.S. What killed “Readwald” – does anyone know? [ I miss him ]
Waving your hands while mumbling about “statistics” isn’t an argument.
The evidence we have shows you’re wrong.
The new coronavirus is only about as dangerous as flu, and is no worse than the many bugs we already live with, including flu.
“To the ignorant & the uninformed, maybe.
Flu does not remove your sesne of taste & smell & it does not produce dangerous blood-clots in your circulatory system
C-19 does all these things”
What a pile of steaming horse shit… to find the ignorant and uninformed – look in the mirror.
I’ve had the new coronavirus, by the way, as has my wife. It did none of those things to us.
It was like a mild flu. Annoying, unpleasant, then we shook it off.
There will always be outliers who either die or experience long term effects. Any policy needs to be based on the majority.
My wife and I both had it and we presume based on our prior movements that we caught it in London on Khan’s mobile Petri dish aka the London Underground. This was back IIRC in early February. Yes it was very much like a bad flu and my wife got it worse than I did and had to go onto a steroid inhaler for about a week.
The odd thing is that my wife asked the NHS nurse/drone if this could be covid and she said ‘no’ as it’s only been seen in those travelling from overseas. The useless NHS nurse/drone could not comprehend that London contains a shed load of people who have just arrived, often from countries where diseases that are not often seen in the UK, not just Covid but Tuberculosis, are endemic.
We got over it even though we are middle aged and in what the Govt claim are a vulnerable group. I suspect that the Covid scaremongers who have turned up here may have imbibed far too much BBC ‘news’ for their own good.
This claim was niggling at me, so I looked it up.
Flu does, indeed, produce blood clots:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/01/24/579997381/aw-seriously-the-flu-can-trigger-a-heart-attack-too
…and make one lose one’s sense of smell:
https://www.raleighcapitolent.com/blog/lost-sense-of-smell?entryid=109&tabid=89
We’re taking unjustifiably extreme measures in response to a pretty average virus.
Good de-bunk of bedwetter Greg’s hysteria driven falsehoods
Thanks
Fact-driven truths actually – I suggest you read my very recent reply
You haven’t posted anything that refutes my comment above.
Wuhan flu is no worse than normal flu. I’m making that observation as someone who has had both.
Peston good sometimes
I used to think he was pretty good at the BBC. I’m not sure if he’s gone downhill since or I’ve just taken more notice.
O/T Humour: South Park – The Pandemic Special
Pendantry alert: the wu-flu vaccine won’t be included in the seasonal flu vaccine as it works in a different way, and the target group to be vaccinated is different.
For flu vaccination you go after the people most likely to suffer if they get the actual flu later in the winter, pensioners, and those above a certain age with a disability (non mobility).
For the wu-flu vaccine the immune response drops off massively with age, so you give it to the not-vulnerable who might be the sort who interact with the vulnerable. That’s likely to be health workers and carers under 55 with no co-morbidities. The idea is to cut off a vector. I suspect that those most responsive to the vaccine are the people who would not have had symptoms anyway if they had had Sars-Cov-2 for real, and as it’s not clear if the never symptomatic spread this thing in a meaningful way, it’s possible it will be a benefit but a small one compared to say promoting good hand hygiene.
Thank you for that. If your information is correct it pretty much answers my earlier question.
Err, OK thanks for confirming the bleedin obvious
Somewhat difficult, nigh impossible to include a vaccine that hasn’t been invented yet and isn’t Influenza
2020/21 Flu vaccine is a tetra vaccine
@LR
Something to cheer you up…
…- Not