The automotive industry has just been stopped in its tracks by an innovation coming as far away as Japan. Toyota has just presented to the world a new way to save the combustion engine with another combustion engine. However, this one has zero emissions and only produces water vapor, with a performance that neither Tesla nor EVs would ever achieve. We show you the first prototype that has been unveiled and the secrets that are still being unveiled (but that we have known before).
This was always the logical way forward, not the anachronistic EV that is based on a technology that was tried and failed over a century ago. For the motorist – and motorcyclist – this is excellent news. Not so excellent for those who are using the EV as a Trojan horse to get us off private transport and into buses, trains, their 15 minute prisons or cycling everywhere.
For the moment, I am keeping my Renault Megane Sport. However, when the time comes, one of these Toyotas would very much appeal. I’ve always liked Renault, but if they won’t produce what I want, then they lose the business.
“However, this one has zero emissions and only produces water vapor”
Water vapour is a greenhouse gas! How is that not an emission?
It’s not toxic like for example nitrogen oxide. But, yes, I expect that to be a form of attack by the pseudoenvironmentalists.
Is it by any chance an engine that runs on Hydrogen ? If it is I suggest investigating how the Hydrogen will be harvested and how efficient the process is. The best solution is still the old fashioned Internal Combustion Engine utilising fuel based on oil which is still plentiful but does not provide the people in charge of our energy systems the access to get rich quick schemes.
Yes it’s hydrogen and yes, it’s a difficult gas to extract, store and fill from the pump. However, as an alternative, given the way the world is going, Toyota are playing them at their own game.
JCB also appear to have a hydrogen engine, but the number of backhoes and excavators etc expected is rather less than the total number of passenger cars.
The monumental lie is that what is coming is an “inevitable transition” and that cars can be replaced one for one, seamlessly by these purported alternatives.
I remain utterly unconvinced myself. The sheer scope of the NEW infrastructure (which, don’t forget will serve no other purpose than to support the private cars we are not supposed to have), not to mention the cost.
The practicality of charging the tiny number of milk floats that actually stray from slow, overnight home chargers is laughable. Is there a description of what any “hydrogen” or other support infrastructure would actually look like in practice?
I think Toyota (and JCB, and anybody else) are playing a game. Milk floats are being pushed, increasingly desperately, precisely because they are so useless and impractical – which is a measure of the contempt they have for us, and how stupid they think we are. Non petrol/diesel alternative may not be any more practical than milk floats, but if there are a number of apparent options, then the milk float obsession will need to be justified in some actual terms.
People aren’t falling for it, as is becoming increasingly clear.
I have a Hyundai at present, which I really rather like. But if Toyota can hole these moronic battery toys below the waterline, when I do get my new (final) car in a year or two. they will be getting some serious consideration.
My new car will be petrol/diesel of course.
Yes, they are playing a game. They are pointing out the absurdity of the EV and that the ICE can be used with alternative fuels. Also, the Toyota engine is massively improved regarding thermal efficiency. They are showing what can be done and good for them. Hydrogen might not be the ultimate way forward, but a differently fuelled ICE certainly looks like it. For the moment, though, I’m keeping my low mileage ICE Renault Megane Sprort.
Indeed, but the conventional internal combustion engine has been the undefeated champion for the last 120 years precisely because it is so difficult to improve upon.
The absurdity of milk floats is pretty clear by now, as witnessed by the dearth of actual private buyers.
As for this Toyota engine, more power to their elbow and their marketing, but I’ll believe it when I see it on a real vehicle in trials on real roads under real conditions (remember LNG? I recall Peugeot had a go, but it did die a rather quick death – no massive subsidised campaigns I suppose).
Hydrogen generally? https://www.jcb.com/en-gb/campaigns/hydrogen (not sure what sales of this stuff has been like)
In the link, the one think that does catch the eye is the hydrogen “under high pressure”, which is around 3000 PSI I believe (in my previous employment, in a test and certification organisation, we did have people looking at hydrogen. One of the guys was looking at a van conversion and the rating of the hydrogen storage tank was around 850 bar, with the pipework at around 700 bar – this would include factor of safety of around three).
Huge lithium-ion (or the various unicorn battery technologies “breakthroughs” which seem to be almost daily events) and chargers which can ram tens of KJ into them in minutes (best of luck finding one that works!). Hydrogen under high pressure? What else?
I’ll stick to a plastic tank with ten gallons of incredibly energy dense, easily storable and transportable liquid thank you!
What is needed is a true hybrid: An electric motor with all its advantages of efficiency and instant torque delivery coupled with a small (it wouldn’t need to be particularly large) combustion engine. This would likely only need to run over a limited rev range, for which it could be optimised for maximum thermal and fuel efficiency.
What would the mpg of such a vehicle – which would need no new infrastructure whatsoever – be? What would it be like in terms of emissions compared to even the best present engines which run over the whole rev and load range?
This whole milk float lunacy has to crash and burn (hopefully just crash!) which it has obviously begun to.
Hopefully I can copy and paste successfully the video of an interview with Lord Bamford which is excellent, he is down to earth and realistic about his hydrogen engines, no bullshit or miracle cure claims. A look at the manufacture of their hydrogen engines then seeing them working and being refuelled on site is proof that this is a viable alternative to petrol and diesel, yes, there will be problems, high pressure tanks and fuel systems for example but these can be overcome without too much difficulty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Q7nAYjAJY
Cheers
The Old Fogey
What’s actually “broken” about the current petrol/diesel private car that actually need “fixing”?
To say that milk floats are “zero emission” and/or “environmentally friendly” is an incredibly sick joke, and to be perfectly honest, I really can’t see how any of the purported alternatives are going to be much better if considered in any other way than the “zero tailpipe emission” measure which is the only consideration applied.
The global car industry is tens, perhaps hundreds of billons in the hole because of milk floats which nobody wants (although the likes of Toyota seem to have largely avoided this). Again, will these other alternatives (assuming they actually make it to production) be any more real world desirable or practical. I would rather like to at least see this demonstrated before some other dead end is foisted on us (a forlorn hope no doubt).
I think the real question is how did these car companies, which have (or had) real political clout end up in this position? Why did they not kick back against this nonsense, which, in the case of milk floats, they simply had to have known would be a disaster?
They could have kicked back, and they could have kicked back hard.
There does seem to finally be some kickback, but only in the face of this incredibly stupid and arrogant regime of “fines” for not being able to sell unsellable junk! To some degree, car makers brought this on themselves.
Well, I have 40 odd years of driving freedom behind me, and I’m not sure how many years still to come. I will get myself a new car in the next couple of years and that will be it. Consequently I am a bit detached from this whole fiasco and am watching with a degree of morbid fascination.
If you’re young and have yet to fully appreciate the true freedom your own private transport gives you, maybe you will just see 25/8/366 monitoring, hectoring and restriction as normal and wonder what these deluded old farts are driveling on about?
The car makers brought this on themselves because they are run by the same simpleton mindless WEF drones as politicians. Being able to virtue signal to your other CEOs is reason enough for them. Let’s face it, when they get fired for this, they won’t starve.
I’m a big fan of Toyota from right back in the 70’s in my kerbside cowboy days, whilst i’d be on first name terms at the Brit maker parts desks all Toyotas ever needed was simple routine servicing, ok they rusted but so did everything else.
Have run Toyota 4×4’s seemingly for ever, bombproof, my current 19 year old Landcruier will more than likely outsurvive me, couple of blokes at work are always pestering me to sell it to them.
Toyota hybrids are proving themselves with 250k+ mile trouble free service being the norm, every taxi driver can’t be wrong, the only downside being used values of such are really high otherwise one of those would be on the drive too.
If Toyota make it they don’t sell it till its right, similarly if they say EV is a load bollocks their word is good enough for me.
We all know the net zero banning of ice cars is little to do with the real environment, its all about taking your freedoms incl travel, stay in your allotted ghetto, pleb, and take your jabs when we tell you, you’ll have no work to go to because we’re going to destroy western economies and take everything you’ve ever worked for, rememeber lord Klaus and his disciples told us we’d own nothing and be happy…cock.