Seen over at Leggy’s place. This from Breitbart.
A British police chief has said it is the public’s “civic duty” to inform on each other if they are suspected of having breached coronavirus lockdown laws.
I won’t be snitching on anyone, regardless of what they get up to. My neighbour could have a rave for all I care, I won’t be calling the police because I won’t enable the authoritarian behaviours so beloved of scumbags like Andy Cooke.
Merseyside Chief Constable Andy Cooke also condemned the so-called “sneering culture” which disapproves of snitching.
“People are doing a civic duty in contacting us for the right reasons. The vast majority of people across the country are really concerned about this. Any information that you can give us in relation to breaches will save lives, and that’s why people are doing it,” Chief Constable Cooke said, according to The Mirror.
I’m not sure sneering is the right word here. Utter contempt is closer. I despise people who go running to the authorities to report minor indiscretions against sinister laws that have been made up on the hoof without any scrutiny and I utterly despise police officers and forces who actively solicit such behaviour. Two generations ago we fought regimes that behaved like this and as I was growing up, we stared down another. Yet here we are having bred a generation of gestapo/stasi wannabes.
Andy Cooke can take his exhortation and stick it where the sun don’t shine. It is not a civic duty at all.
Spotted this yesterday, the comments section is comedy gold!
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/covid-marshals-hit-streets-repeat-4661175
This though, “the jobs were given to people who “would have otherwise not had one”.
In other words jobs given to people who would otherwise be unemployable. Probably the worst kind of person to give a uniform and high viz waistcoat to.
Have you seen the money involved?! £300,000 until April for 6 people?!!!!
I’d have volunteered myself and then sat at home all day reading books.
There are indeed some comedy gold comments there. Very little support for Boris’s Brownshirts there.
I hope that people are queueing up to snitch on Andy Cooke the second he puts a foot wrong.
Oh I don’t know. Report the bastard anyway. Give the nasty authoritarian sh*thead a dose of his own medicine.
The police will never repay any ‘favours’. Sad but true.
Christmas
Message is don’t permit police to enter; probably best to not open door, shout through letter box/window
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/30/latest-news-178/#police-have-no-power-to-ruin-christmas
We’ll be having usual four household Christmas – including grand-parents
Read and weep
Plenty in UK eager to work for Stassi
The thing about such people is that they are so keen to create this kind of miserable oppressed society, it never occurs to them that the draconian rules will apply to them as well. The stupidity of people in general make me despair.
Part of the problem is that the clever people are all too involved in doing things that are useful. I recently installed Spotify on my phone. I sometimes listen to it on the headphones and, being wrapped up warmly when out in the garden, my phone is buried deep in a pocket on the leg of my trousers. No problem, a control panel has appeared on my sports watch that tells me what is playing and allows me to skip, repeat, pause and play from my wrist. I just have nothing but awe filled admiration for the geeks that made this happen for me.
We already accepted this years ago. We drafted business owners to act as cops in enforcing government-imposed smoking bans, and authorized employees to snitch on them.
In a number of places (Including NY where Audrey Silk and NYCCLASH.com are fighting the HUD ban tooth and nail) the government has recruited tenants as Stazi to inform on neighbors who might smoke in their own apartments.
It gets interesting if a 17-year-old son insists on smoking in the bathroom when on the toilet and the neighbors complain. The family will be thrown out on the streets if they can’t stop the 17-year-old, but they are not, I believe, allowed to use physical force against him. They are also, I believe forbidden to simply throw him out. Thanks to their kid and the Stazi neighbors they may well find themselves living in a cardboard box on the street someday.
And everyone accepted THAT as being perfectly fine.
So masks etc is a minor fling in comparison… it’s just a fine, right? And kids can inform on their parents, right?
I could not agree more. I remember having a conversation with friends who were smokers. I was the only one against that particular ban, arguing that private businesses should do as they wanted, and they were free not to go. Their main argument was that it was good for the health of people, individual choice and freedom be damned.
Same thing with hate crimes, which are nothing else than thought crimes.
Once those cats were out of the bag, it was only going to get worse.
I agree with that picture of Orwell. I will not be a Stasi informer either. If the cops come round on 25th December, even though there will only be two of us having Christmas dinner they will not be welcomed in to check.
I’m not sure that “this thing only kills people over sixty who have additional health problems” is a valid argument. Lots of people are over sixty and have additional health problems, it sounds as if you are suggesting that they don’t matter. I agree that it would be better to return to normal life, but that is because I don’t think that any of the restrictions will make the slightest difference. I speak as someone over sixty who has additional health problems.
My daughter is currently smitten and is isolating in her flat, that makes sense. She is on the mend now but her voice sounds very rough over the phone. She is also the only person that I know personally that has had it.
That’s not what I’m saying. People who succumb are, for the most part, knocking on death’s door already. This may shorten their lives by a few weeks. Much like flu.
Like you, I’m over sixty and have health issues.
What about those who are not “for the most part”?
I don’t agree that lockdown is a suitable solution. It would be far better to place the category defined under house arrest and provide them with provisions until the danger is gone, whether that’s 3 months or 3 years.
How about letting them make that decision?
100%, LR, nobody should be forcibly placed under house arrest for their own good.
That would require the NHS to pick up the tab if they chose to not self isolate.
You’re happy to forego an operation because some oik gets covid and needs your hospital bed?
The vast majority of UK citizens aren’t responsible enough to be given responsibility.
Ah yes, the old “cost to the NHS” bullshit. That’s what we pay for. We didn’t do this for influenza and there is no need to do it now. I will never, ever accept that people should be forcibly imprisoned because of their demographic. Such an idea is monstrous and belongs in the old Soviet Union.
I’m not sure that being pissed at having to pay someone else’s medical costs when they’re negligent is to be considered ‘bullshit’. Next you’ll have me paying for people’s to live in state provided accomodation whilst they avoid having to work for a living…
Oh….
One reason I dislike socialised healthcare is this kind of reasoning – and yes, it is bullshit. It’s a form of insurance. We all pay in we all draw on it as needed. Some pay more, some draw more. That’s just how it works. It is precisely your logic that the anti-smoker, anti-drinker, anti-sugar health fascists use and it is flawed.
Perhaps you would like to ban dangerous sports? After all, a rugby player could be taking up a bed you might need? Or a racing driver, para-glider, surfer? Where would you like to stop?
Again, the idea that people should be put under house arrest for no more than being elderly is monstrous. Not wishing to live under house arrest is not even remotely negligent. Your argument is fallacious.
@Roger
Don’t care who or why anyone “gets covid”.
They’re not taking up my bed as NHS has been closed to virtually all non covid cases since March. I’ve had 9 cancellations from three clinics, followed by letter telling me:
“You have missed three appointments, assume you are now well. Discharged. See GP if not”
NHS has empty wards, beds and clinics in abundance. In Scotland idle GP practices won’t even do Flu vaccinations
The points you make are blinkered juvenile thinking, selfish and supercilious. NHS is to treat/protect us, not us protect NHS
@Stonyground – “My daughter is currently smitten and is isolating in her flat, that makes sense. She is on the mend now but her voice sounds very rough over the phone. She is also the only person that I know personally that has had it.”
I do not wish to appear disrespectful, but how can you say with certainty that your daughter has it? Is it because her GP or a test says so? Of course its none of my business but your comment does highlight what I have been banging on about for a while now. Why do people still put their trust in an institution that they pay handsomely for, but consistently fails them, whilst still being aware of the corruption and blatant lies being told. The NHS is no longer anyone’s friend.
People wear masks for no other reason than a stranger on TV told them they must.
People leave their elderly loved ones to die alone because a stranger on TV told them to do that.
As I have said before, this will not end until the government and their sage cronies have to flee for their lives.
This is a doctor’s view, a long read but very interesting.
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-covid-physicians-true-coronavirus-timeline/
She has tested positive and has typical symptoms so it seems likely that she has it. She works in a school. But yes, technically you can’t say for certain that it is Covid 19.
The “other health conditions” doesn’t mean all health conditions.
It’s a shortish list including: respiratory problems, type 2 diabetes, morbidity, dementia
Average age of “with” covid death is 82.x ~1 year older than average age of death
As one wag put it “Most dying with covid were already dead”
Morbidity?
Initially a Mistake, then thought – yeah, describes “at death’s door”
Meant Obesity – all this ‘morbidly obese’, so add obese to list
Also add refusal to allow patient to take HCQ if they want to
I could not agree more. I remember having a conversation with friends who were smokers. I was the only one against that particular ban, arguing that private businesses should do as they wanted, and they were free not to go. Their main argument was that it was good for the health of people, individual choice and freedom be damned.
Same thing with hate crimes, which are nothing else than thought crimes.
Once those cats were out of the bag, it was only going to get worse.
I think that this article is interesting:
https://thepostmillennial.com/americans-are-too-willing-to-bow-to-authoritarianism-and-sacrifice-their-rights-for-the-greater-good
Talking about Stazi and getting the died with Covis stats up, any comments on this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914373/Police-ARREST-qualified-nurse-trying-97-year-old-mother-care-home.html
Nessimmersion, looks like we put the same link up at roughly the same time.
This is getting worse and worse. Just got this from Tommy Robinson’s account over at Parler. A registered nurse who hasn’t been able to see her 97 year old mother in the care home for months and the elderly lady is deteriorating. The nurse wanted to take her mum back home to care for her but the filthy excuse for a police force arrested the mother and forced the 97 year old back into the care home where her family don’t want to be. I’m utterly utterly disgusted by what is happening. Our nation, culture and family relationships are being destroyed by idiotic politicians and this destruction is being aided by police officers who are now little more than the sort of mindless order followers that rightly ended up in Nuremburg on trial. See video link below:
https://video.parler.com/eB/Vg/eBVgXq0JdmRC.mp4
I’ll just leave this here..
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/
That is indeed one of the scariest documents I’ve read in a long time. The only issue they’ll have is the compulsory vaccination of people for whom a vaccination could be life threatening. Give an injection to someone that could potentially be killed by it? State sanctioned euthenasia…
Also added to this is that any vaccination will have been rushed through clinical trials, so is potentially even less safe.
The one thing we have that is ours from birth to death is our own body. Compulsory immunisation is an horrific idea and the thought that these people are even considering such an evil shows just how far we have sunk towards dictatorship.
Contrary to most people’s perceptions, the majority of vaccinations.are rushed through trials…it’s nothing new. The forcing of a vaccination on someone, and using the MHA83 to justify it is grossly reprehensible.
I’m not a supporter of the anti-vaxxer brigade, but I support their right to choose. However, choices should be registered, and should you choose to not have children vaccinated against certain diseases then your estate should be liable for the cost of treatment if you are diagnosed. That way and insurance company covering healthcare costs can easily make a choice on your policy costs.
Seems the sensible and logical way to go? Smoking currently has an effect on private policies, so why not other life choicea like vaccination. Assuming the vaccination is justified. Which influence and probably covid will not be.
They only want to carry out compulsory immunisation on you, so that your organs will be good enough for state sanctioned harvesting when you die…
You just couldn’t help yourself, could you?
And there you have it, the slippery slope. And, no, it ain’t a fallacy. Fucking hell!
It is however just a document submitted by 4 doctors.
Well, of course, many of us do not agree that lockdown measures are compatible with human rights law, but the courts, being largely an arm of the state rather than an independent judiciary protecting the rights of citizens, seem unwilling to properly test this before the law.
Another aspect is whether the risk to public health is sufficiently large to justify trampling on basic human rights. Given that COVID-19 is not even in the top 10 causes of death in the UK, it is difficult to conceive how lockdowns and forceful vaccination would pass the public good test if we are not curtailing human rights to deal with factors that result in more deaths.
As for the supposed overwhelming of the NHS, isn’t the question there more to do with the government not meeting its human rights obligations to provide adequate health care for all, especially as it takes money off people with the promise of so doing?