In which I respond to a government consultation.
The government is reviewing whether COVID-status certification could play a role in reopening our economy, reducing restrictions on social contact and improving safety.
COVID-status certification refers to the use of testing or vaccination data to confirm in different settings that individuals have a lower risk of getting sick with or transmitting COVID-19 to others. Such certification would be available both to vaccinated people and to unvaccinated people who have been tested.
My response:
Q1: Individual and Business (other type)
Q2: (f) and (h)
The vaccine(s) does not stop an individual getting or spreading the disease. All it will do is reduce the severity of symptoms.
So, given the above, it makes no difference if we are vaccinated or not when it comes to other people as we can still pass it on. If person A has been vaccinated and person B hasn’t, person A will get reduced symptoms if person B passes it on. If both have been vaccinated, then the outcome is the same.
If person B gives it to person A, then A will get the full blown symptoms if he hasn’t been vaccinated. But as it’s their choice, they are responsible for the risk, not person B. If have both decided to eschew the vaccine, then both understand the risk they have taken and no one else is affected. The whole concept of making others safe by having a vaccination certificate is a vacuous argument that is demolished by logic. Given this, there is no basis in reason, logic or evidence to support a papers please society, no matter how much some people might want it. It’s about time the government stopped pandering to project fear and got us back to normal. That is, an open, liberal society rather than the Soviet one proposed by the concept of internal passports, which this hideous idea is.
Q3: The principle is fundamentally immoral and has no place in a liberal democracy. It is not justified by the risks and we should not even be having this discussion. I will not be complying.
True enough, makes no sense for vaccine passport if vaccination doesn’t prevent spread.
Equally true of the possible coercion of care home staffers to have said vaccine, no need for a vaccine.
Asymptomatic transmission isn’t likely to be a thing, but if it is as serious a risk as claimed by government, it will be more prevalent. After all, if all the vaccine does is reduce symptoms, then there will be more asymptomatic cases.
And since there isn’t a reliable test, I don’t see how you can counter that.
I’ve always considered it a courtesy to colleagues/friends to keep my distance if I’m coughing and spluttering, indeed if I’m particularly ‘moist’, I would stay at home. Before that stage, we’ll, seem to recall something about coughs and sneezes and handkerchiefs.
It seems to me that, in recent years, politics has become a way for thickoes to earn a comfortable living. If they were happy to sit back and say, I admit that I’m a bit stupid so I will sit quietly at the back and collect my fat salary which I couldn’t get doing the kind of menial job that I am suited to, I could live with that. But no, they imagine themselves to be highly intelligent polymaths who have a duty to save us from our plebian follies.
As it stands, we have a lockdown induced mental health crisis, these masters are unfit for purpose and need to be ignored.
Not to mention untreated and undiagnosed conditions because of it.
I, too, responded. Here is my reply to Q3:
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Honestly, if I’d wanted a fascist government, I would have voted for the BNP.
Mind you, if this kind of legislation is to be introduced, we would need a quick and easy way to identify those irresponsible people who have not taken the vaccine: I would suggest that the government legislate that some kind of symbol — a yellow star, perhaps; or even a pink triangle — must be sewn onto the unvaccinated individual’s clothes.
Further, since these people will, of course, be putting others at risk, I would also suggest spending a good few million pounds of our money on an advertising campaign that — subtly or otherwise — “others” these people, and encourages people to take the law into their own hands.
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DK
Dont forget the bit about needing concentration camps for the unvaccinated to protect the healthy society against the other
I’d argue that the BNP would be nowhere as fascistic…
Positively liberal given the recent behaviour of our parliament.
Last year I saw a comment which went along these lines:
I voted Conservative at the last election because I knew the Labour party would wreck the economy, and intrude into our lives. Look how that worked out!
DK, I first heard about the Pink Triangle back in the eighties. Two gay chaps named their HiFi company after the symbol and I looked it up. I didn’t realise there was a hierarchy in the concentration camps (should have really, as i’d read that the Japanese used Korean prisoners of war as guards – King Rat?)and the PT was lower down the order than the yellow star. I did hear a rumour that sales in the US was low, possibly due to the name.
I heartily recommend ‘King Rat’ and James Clavell‘s other faction novels
Update
Comments on the proposal will be accepted until 23:59:59 Monday, March 29
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Big Brother Watch has an easy-to-fill-out template submission to the Vaccine Certificate Review here
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/stopvaccinepassports/
2.
“Why the vaccine passport plan is so wrong, whatever they call it”
The Conservative Woman shares readers’ responses to the Government’s call for evidence on so-called Covid-Status certification
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-the-vaccine-passport-plan-is-so-wrong-whatever-they-call-it/
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“Bringing in these Covid Status Certificates would be a paradigm shift for British society” – Watch Jake Hurfurt, Head of Research at Big Brother Watch, set out the case against vaccine passports.
https://twitter.com/BigBrotherWatch/status/1375472368034910211
Please submit your opposition to Gove’s ghastly proposal asap
Another reason to oppose:
“Vaccines Minister hints at possibility of vaccine passport for churches”
Premier Christian News picks up on hints given by vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi that Churches may have to start checking congregants’ Covid status
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/vaccines-minister-hints-at-possibility-of-vaccine-passport-for-churches
Truly disgusting and despotic
Has this been Johnson & Gove’s “Brexit – Free to make our own laws” plan all along? Not freedom, totalitarian three monkeys: Gove, Hancock & Johnson ruling by fear