People who turn down Covid vaccination are “selfish” and put others’ lives at risk, Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove has said.
He warned that those declining a jab could see themselves barred from events requiring “a certain level of safety”.
More authoritarian claptrap. Given that the vaccine is not a panacea and even if it was, those who have declined are not risking other people, they are choosing to accept a risk themselves. At least refuseniks aren’t foaming-at-the-mouth authoritarians trying to turn this country into a mirror image of communist China.
And, of course, “safety” is the go to excuse of the charlatan who wishes to impose yet more restrictions on our liberty. These people really are utterly vile.
Studies have linked vaccination to a reduced likelihood of infection and transmission, although the double-jabbed can still catch and transmit Covid.
This is the crux, isn’t it? This wonderful vaccine does very little in reality, hence the delays to letting us get back to normal and hence this obnoxious attempt to bully, cajole and coerce us into conformity. I have a suggestion as to where Gove can stick his vaccine.
Speaking during a visit to Glasgow, Mr Gove said: “Ultimately, if you can be vaccinated and you refuse to, that is a selfish act.
No. It. Isn’t. And what happened to my body, my choice?
“You’re putting other people’s health and lives at risk, you should get vaccinated.”
Fuck you, Gove and the horse you rode into town on. I am putting on one’s life at risk, just as no one is putting mine at risk – that is, neither more nor less than happens with seasonal flu.
He said he thought “some form of certification” was “the right way to go” to try to curtail Covid spread at “certain venues and certain events”.
This man claims to be a Conservative. Yet here he is, openly talking about imposing something straight out of the communist toolbox. It is not the right way to go, it is never the right way to go and I will resist.
Can I just point out that this evil little man and the repugnant party he represents will never see my vote again. Ever.
Only Arsehole of the DAY??? He’s been an untrustworthy creep for ages…
Gove is a little backstabbing snake. Should have put the twat up against a wall years ago. But then there’s such a lot of them you’d be spoiled for choice.
And the Beeb are only too happy to shout his words from the rooftops, cuz it creates outrage and division.
double-think is summed by …
If wearing a mask is effective, the why does one need to keep more than 1M from other people?
If keeping more than 1M from other people is effective, then why does one have to wear mask?
If wearing masks and keeping more that 1M from other people is effective, then why does one need a vaccination?
If wearing a mask, keeping more than 1M from other people and having a vaccination is effective, what danger does a masked, social distanced unvaccinated person pose?
Could it be that the combination of masks, social distancing and vaccinations are all ineffective (as individual items, or collectively)?
Agree with the blogger and all three comments to date.
“No. It. Isn’t”
I don’t care whether it is or not. I’ve been called worse, and nothing gets stuck in my arm that I’m not 100% sure about (which is plenty, so fuck all the smug parroting of that “anti-vaxxer” bullshit). If they want to stop me from going to my mum’s funeral in a couple of weeks because of that, then we’ll see what kind of people they are.
Why isn’t the government’s army of scientific advisors stepping up to the plate and telling him he’s wrong? I’ve had this argument several times with people who should know better. Conventional vaccines protect you and the people around you, this vaccine works in a different way and protects only the individual that gets it.
“Mr Gove said: “Ultimately, if you can be vaccinated and you refuse to, that is a selfish act.”
“No. It. Isn’t. And what happened to my body, my choice?”
Well, it is. But “if you can be vaccinated and you choose to”, that is also a selfish act. I got the vaccination because I thought it the lesser of two evils for me. I’m 72 years old with a compromised immune system so I took the chance that the vaccine would do me less harm than the virus. I didn’t take the vaccine out of some feeling that I was doing it for the good of my fellow men, I did it for me. Had I been 30 years or so younger and in the robust health I was in my early 40s I would probably have decided differently.
Most of our decisions are selfish, either for our own good or for the good of our offspring. That’s how we’ve evolved.
If anything vaccination is the selfish choice. The best course of action for society viewed as a whole would be for the virus to sweep through, kill who it kills and everyone else gets immunity and the whole thing dies out. And slowly mutates into a milder version of the disease which everyone can cope with going forward.
By vaccinating people you are creating the possibility that more severe strains of the virus (which are constantly being created as the virus mutates all the time) appear and gain traction in the population (thus reversing the usual viral evolutionary trend). This means that the death rate among the vaccinated who contract the new stronger strain could easily equal the death rate of unvaccinated people who contracted the original Alpha strain, and the death rate in the unvaccinated would be far higher than before.
So in order to protect yourself today by taking a vaccine now, you are potentially creating a situation whereby others will die in the future. That seems to me to be the very definition of selfishness.
Whereas the unvaccinated are only creating a risk to themselves. They are not contributing towards a stronger strain becoming a dominant strain. I have been absolutely fuming at the complete scientific gibberish that some politicians have been spewing that the ‘Unvaccinated are incubating stronger strains’. That is the precise opposite of the truth (par for the course today). By taking the vaccine you will have less symptoms than you would have had if you were unvaccinated. As such you will spread whatever strain you have far more widely. A virulent strain will soon die out among the unvaccinated, because they will rapidly become sick and die, and not spread it far. But a vaccinated person with the same virulent strain will feel far better, continue to work and socialise, and spread that strain far more widely. And thus it gains traction in the population in a way it wouldn’t absent vaccines.
My prediction is this – the vaccines will apparently struggle to cope with new strains as the years pass, and the serious illness and death rates will remain relatively consistent over time. There will be peaks, as new stronger strains become commonplace, and troughs, as newer vaccines are injected. Each time the process repeats the virus will get stronger and stronger. Eventually (in a couple of decades time) the virus will be so virulent it will be fatal to the unvaccinated, and the vaccinated will struggle to cope.
We are playing very dangerous games with forces far bigger and stronger than ourselves, and if we continue down the road we are on we will get our backsides served to us by Mother Nature.
Does anyone know how reinfection rates compare between vaccinated and unvaccinated?
Seems to me that this data would be useful in deciding whether to trust in pharma companies or rely on the weapons mother nature gave us, and which one is more effective.
My money, FWIW, is on mother nature’s immune system in this case.
It would be nice to know and it will show which is more useful against new strains.
Of course, if the data shows that natural immunity is superior, it will have been buried somewhere.
According to James Delingpole on Telegram, he has exchanged heated messages with Gove (a now presumably former friend) culminating with James telling him ‘You’ve read Dr Faustus. Doesn’t end happily for people like you.’
Torn apart by demons would be a fitting end, though.
Dr Robert Malone, inventor of mRNA technology: https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html.
O/T. Tim Worstalls site is coming up as “403 forbidden”. Any ideas?
I got unavailable.
It’s working here.
It is for me now.
People who refuse to get vaccinated against this deadly virus are selfish, and inconsiderate of others, and stupid.
The science around infection and survival rates for people who have been vaccinated are quite clear. The vaccine works.
Oh, fuck off.