A figure of eight is pretty much two U turns. Well, that’s what we’ve just seen. Liz Truss’ original plan had some logic behind it – lowering taxes is always a good thing even if the planned increase in borrowing was insane. The ideal would have been to slash government spending and there was plenty of fat that could be trimmed, but half right is better than nothing, I guess. Instead of sticking to her guns, she caved. Firstly on the planned reduction in the higher rate of tax and now the rest of her mini budget is in tatters as she bent to the will of the mob. In the meantime she sacked her chancellor, throwing him under the bus and the Tory malcontents are looking to Sunak as some sort of saviour, despite him being rejected by the membership. The whole thing is an utter clusterfuck that makes even the insanity of the Labour party look mildly competent.
I’m not opposed to changing direction when it becomes obvious that the direction is wrong. That’s sensible and pragmatic; it shows courage. This, however, is just panic in the face of a media onslaught and rebellion among her own party. Having decapitated one PM, they are now going to do so with another in a matter of weeks. What makes these imbeciles think that the country will elect them to govern again? What we are likely to see is a mass exodus of votes away from the Tories (forget the red wall, that’s going to the the first to go), primarily to Labour and less so, but still significantly, to minor parties. I’ll go Reform if they present a candidate and split vote be damned. If not and the three main parties are all that is on offer, then it’s none of the above. If we get a hung parliament, I’ll volunteer to build the gallows, because that’s what we need right now.
I wasn’t wildly optimistic about Truss, but by God, even I couldn’t have predicted just how utterly incompetent and useless she would turn out to be so damned quickly. That noise you can hear, yes, the whirring sound, that’s Margaret Thatcher spinning in her grave.
For many years now i’ve refused to vote negatively, ie to vote for one lot because the other lot are supposed to be worse, and i will never vote again until i can vote positively for someone or a party worthy of a vote on their own merits.
Yes reform would be fine but really i want to see the alternatives hammer out their differences and all unite under one banner, so those of who are conservative can have a genuine conservative minded party to vote for.
But please no Farage involvement, we need people who will see things through to the bitter end, no more last minute candidate withdrawl debacles.
What’s the betting the owners of the tory party get their wish force Truss out and their man Sunak is pm by Christmas, and we’re buying our way back into the EU by 2025.
I said something similar over at Worstall’s place.
The Tory party deserves to die (metaphorically speaking, just in case any particularly thick coppers are reading this and want to boost their arrest stats).
They aren’t conservative any more.
Big state, big tax, big spend, eco-lunacy, drag queen story time.
Sod em.
They either need to spend time in the wilderness and be reborn like the phoenix, coming back from the ashes with truly conservative policies or make way for an actually conservative group.
As with many others, like yourself, Reform is looking increasingly likely.
Nothing much to add here, you’ve all said it for me. I wrote “Non of them” on the last ballot and boy has that decision been vindicated ever since.
Labour worked remorselessly over several decades to alienate its core vote,largely because it was actually socially rather conservative (this is the thing that the “intellectual”, that is to say narcissistic and self obsessed, left simply cannot grasp).
Having been handed an almost historic majority, the “conservative” party has done its damnest to alienate its core (which it had been doing for almost as long as labour). Looks like they have succeeded.
The tories, labour, the US Republicans and democrats, the main parties in just about all western countries are just flies buzzing round a huge pile of shite, the stink of which repels the army of decent people in the west.
The actual differences between old labour and old tories – for want of better expressions – were not really that great, and among the respective cores which have been so disgracefully ignored still really aren’t.
Truss replaced by sunak? (Text checker inserted “sunk”. Hell’s teeth an arm core has more political wisdom than the whole lamestream media!) One globo whore replaced by another (and another and another, might even be a sham “election” somewhere along the way).
I’m not for how much longer the obscenity WEF can manipulate it’s endlessly interchangeable creatures, it is clearly losing its grip. Assuming it ever had one of course. It’s cretinous “analysis” mindlessly followed by the mindless for decades is simple minded, puerile student politics of the worst kind but it is finally running up against real world considerations of real people sufficiently so those real world considerations can no longer be ignored.
To be honest, I wouldn’t really care if Truss was replaced by gary fucking lineker. Some sort of real crisis – lights going out etc – as far as I can see is pretty well inevitable.
None of the “appointees” in any country (and I’d include Putin and winnie the pooh in this) are even capable of handling their own dicks as they prove daily.
When I voted for Brexit I did wonder if the shower in Westminster would be capable of governing as they hadn’t had to do any for the previous 40 years but I thought that it would be worth it in the long run, we’d just have a bumpy ride in the short term but cometh the hour and all that. I now don’t really care since realising that we’ve been sold out to the anti-democratic UN/WEF/WHO; I now regard the EU as just their European arm. I feel utterly depressed by the direction of travel and the hopelessness of voting in meaningless elections.
This is where our much derided first past the post electoral system does give protest votes and parties real value. Look who wants to change it and why.
I see no reason why reform, some sort of revived UKIP or any new protest parties that might arise, would be wasted votes.
They cannot be “magicked” away by “transferable votes” or whatever system can be imagined to favour parties over voters. I think FPTP made a more than trivial contribution to keeping us out of the eurine. Get us into that – what rejoiniacs truly want – and that be game over. Trapped below decks behind the sealed bulkhead of the sinking titanic.
Don’t despair. Vote – for anybody but tories, labour or limp dumps. The only thing inevitable about toytown Austria-Hungary is its demise. Don’t underestimate just what a massive setback 2016 was for these creatures and how desperate they actually are. And just ask yourself where we’d be today had that vote been stay.
They had on their side the spurious argument of inevitabilty. They have this no longer. The most powerful weapons they have are despair and indifference. These are weapons we give them. Stop giving.
This might be insane but I think that this whole mess is a ruse by the Remainers to get us back into the EU. Who would have thought that the Tories would topple a leader with a huge majority and took us out properly from the EUSSR?. Over a few parties during Covid?. From the day Leave won in 2016 the fix was in, the Twitterati that rule our institutions would not let the Plebs have their say. A few years later we have a Remain PM who a few years ago was a Lib Dem! A party who said “Bollocks to Brexit” and vowed to overturn a democratic vote.
In a few years we will be led by a Labour govt who will take us back in and the EU will punish us for having the cheek to Leave and they will punish us accordingly. I hope i’m wrong.
I don’t think you’re insane at all. Look at who’s behind it. And remember that they’ve done this before. Thatcher’s downfall had sod-all to do with the Poll Tax. That was just the excuse; what really riled the Wets was the Bruges speech. After that, she had to go.
And what terrfied them about the referendum was that if they lost, getting back in without all the derogations – zero-rate VAT, the EMU opt-out, etc. – would be much harder to sell to the public. But I think the result was close enough that they now see an opportunity: not only can they get us back in with a bit of their customary dissembling, they can get us properly in this time, with British sovereignty utterly destroyed. They smell blood.
I don’t think they could have given us a more potent proof that they are rotten to the core when naming hunt to chancellor. That guy is all that’s wrong with the tory party and is a particularly disgusting individual. I despair.
I also would like to see the boe apparatchiks, who are at least 50% responsible for this mess, be sacked, tarred and feathered.
The whole thing is a joke. None of the parties remotely represent what I want, not even close.
It’s easy to think we are on the edge of a collapse, but I really cannot see any other alternatives, with increasing lawlessness, public ‘services’ failing completely, power cuts, food shortages, war, manufactured epidemics, strikes and eventually mass riots.
Parliamentary democracy is demonstrably undemocratic and does not work, it is inevitable in a capitalist society that capitalists will hi-jack power, through money, and Parliament with it.
I haven’t voted since Major lost and am not likely to start again any time soon.
I seriously hope to see hundreds, if not thousands, of current and former MPs, Police Chiefs, Heads of CPS, Social Services, NHS, Local Councils, et al, tried for war crimes, treason, malfeasance in public office or dereliction of duty. Some should be executed, some imprisoned, all given ruinous fines, banned from public office or public employment for life and lose all pension rights.
One can dream.