I could have included this one as a dealing with idiots on the Internet as the review is left on Google. However, as it relates to a real world interaction, perhaps not. This one is interesting because anyone who has delivered services to the general public will be familiar with the issue. So, here is the review:
6 days agoMy instructor was polite but made it obvious that he didn’t like me. The short one that looks like James may and rides a tiny bike to work.
Kept giving nonsense advice and then still after a month hasn’t put any of my info through for my full bike test. Everytime I call it’s “give him a few more days”. Thankfully phoenix is way more professional, better pad and actual bikers that own proper bikes and not kids bikes.
I didn’t tell him I had been riding bikes since I was 6 years old (now 41).
He said I’d need some lessons, that’s when I knew it was about the extra money.
Managed to get my full licence done with no tuition at all. Chippenham phoenix is the place to do your A licence.
B-bikers is a place to do your CBT if your desperate.Ps. I still rest my finger on the front brake. Because it’s not a failable fault.
And when doing slow manoeuvres the human should shift his weight towards the apex and not the opposite way around. You need to re-learn some stuff or stop teaching things incorrectly.Got my licence now with absolutely NO thanks to b-bikers.
Treat people like the paying customers they are and give them the assessment they deserve.
One statement in that review is accurate – the first sentence. The rest is bunkum. Not least because of what is missed out, which I will come to in a minute.
I’ll take the James May reference as a compliment. After all, I have a lot of time for James May and to be fair, I do share some similarities. The bike that he derides is the Enfield Scram, which I have mentioned here. Small, light, easy to ride and with excellent fuel consumption, it is ideal for CBT road rides. I wasn’t aware that I am obliged to seek the approval of students when it comes to my choice of training bike, though. That said, the snobbery that some people have towards the new Royal Enfields is typical of what we see here. Uninformed ignorance. He was on a 125, so the Enfield was perfect for the task of following him about on the road.
He mentioned that he didn’t tell me about his riding experience. Oh, yeah, he did. Ad nauseum. By the end of that day I was sick of hearing about his obviously exaggerated exploits. When a colleague arrived back at lunchtime from a test run, he was subjected to it as well and his reaction was the same as mine – we were dealing with a Walter Mittyesque knob. I’ve been in this game long enough to recognise the type – someone who has been riding for years illegally and finally decides to get a licence, but thinks they already know it all and we can’t teach them anything. Which is true, they are resistant to any attempts to improve their bad habits and this one was no exception. One thing that I picked up on was his use of one finger braking. During the emergency stop exercise I pointed out that his braking was inefficient as he wasn’t stopping promptly enough. He challenged this with the claim that four fingers on the brake lever would result in a front wheel lock. Not if you are braking properly, it won’t. He then challenged me that this would not result in a test failure as alluded to in his review. As is often the case with reviews such as this, the full conversation is not revealed. What I said at the time was that if he didn’t stop promptly enough the examiner may well decide that it is a failure and the one-finger braking would be the cause. Mr Rodriguez-Lay’s response was that the examiner was an idiot.
This was simply another red flag for me.
Let’s go back a bit. During element D we talk about attitude on the road. Mr Rodriguez-Lay regaled us with his road rage exploits telling us that on one such occasion, his wife had to hold him back. Given that this was precisely the kind of attitude we do not want on the road – hence the discussion – we had another red flag.
Perhaps the biggest cause for concern, which he fails to mention here, is the temper tantrum. He had difficulty fitting the radio earpiece prior to going out on the road ride. Not unusual. However, I’ve never had a student go into full blown meltdown and start swearing and throwing things about. He threw his glasses on the ground, where they bounced under the fence, resulting in having to crawl about on the ground to fish them out. Eventually, he furiously tore the cheek pad out of his helmet (fortunately it was his own and not one he had borrowed from us). The other student was watching this with a slightly dazed expression while I was wondering just how long I should let it go on before terminating his training. What I was witnessing was a complete failure in anger management, matching my then two-year old niece’s when I used the word ‘no’ to her some years ago. As I said, this display of petulance doesn’t find its way into the review (well, of course not – Ed) but does put another spin on the story.
Moving onto the comment about slow speed control. What he is referring to is counter balancing. This is a perfectly viable technique. However, I don’t normally mention it at CBT level and have no recollection of doing so on that day, and if I did, it would merely have been in passing as it wasn’t especially relevant as neither student experienced difficulty turning their bikes. So I’m not sure why he mentions it, other than to paint me as a poor instructor – along with the patronising comment about re-learning, delivered with a complete lack of self-awareness. I might mention this technique at DAS level if I think it will help the student. As I say, it’s a valid technique so I don’t have to re-learn anything here. In making this claim, he demonstrates his own lack of understanding of machine control, which, frankly, wasn’t good at all. He seemed to think that a YS125 should be constantly revved like a two stroke.
His claim that another school took him to test without any training is pure fabrication. No riding school will put a student on a bike and take them straight to test. It just doesn’t happen. Also, he seems unaware that we know each other and we know what the training regimes are that each of us uses – and it’s pretty similar. This individual did need further training and he will have had a minimum of two days at Phoenix to prepare him for modules 1 & 2. Given what I saw, this would be about right. He was sloppy, but it would be achievable as it appears was the case.
He claims that I didn’t put notes on the system for a month. I know what happened here. Although I put them on that same day, the proprietor of the school was fobbing him off, hoping that he would take his business elsewhere. I’m irked by this because it makes me look unprofessional. So I’ll address that final point about customer service. He paid for a CBT and that was what he got. I was courteous throughout, despite his appalling behaviour. At that point, the contract was fulfilled. I am under no obligation to take on further work should I choose not to. My colleagues and I discussed this at some length following that day. Given the anger management issue, I was unhappy to take him to test, as should it have gone badly, a meltdown in the test centre and having to get the bike back wasn’t a risk I was happy to take. My colleague also made the point that any student training alongside him would be at a disadvantage given that Rodriquez-Lay’s ego operated like a black hole, absorbing all the energy in close proximity. He is a bore that gives the Severn a run for its money and none of us wanted to train him. Unfortunately, rather than tell him this, the office chose the fobbing off approach.
To an extent, we are in Christian cake territory here. Are we obliged to take on a client if we choose not to? Given that there are no protected characteristics involved, no. As a self-employed person, I have declined to work with clients in the past for a variety of reasons and reserve that right still. Rodriguez-Lay was trained in a polite and professional manner despite his behaviour and unwillingness to learn, and got exactly what he had paid for. We simply chose not to continue the relationship albeit without being completely honest with him. We had no obligation to take further business from him. And he got exactly the assessment he deserved.
All of this reminds us that the general public can be difficult to deal with; arrogant, entitled and self-opinionated and treat service providers as if we are their servants who should jump to their commands because they are ‘the paying customer’ and are therefore always right. They don’t like it when those service providers then choose to walk away due to bad behaviour on the part of that customer. I’m a free agent. I don’t waste my time on people who are unwilling to cooperate or who make my life a misery when I have to interact with them.
One final thought here. The proprietor of the school has not yet responded and it will be interesting to see what he has to say. Having used my apparent tardiness as a fobbing off technique, I cannot see how he can adequately address the accusations of unprofessionalism, because if it was true, the accusation would be valid. If he now tells the truth, he has to admit to being less than honest with the potential client, which isn’t a good look on a review.
“He then challenged me that this would not result in a test failure as alluded to in his review. As is often the case with reviews such as this, the full conversation is not revealed. What I said at the time was that if he didn’t stop promptly enough the examiner may well decide that it is a failure and the one-finger braking would be the cause.”
Oh, yes. I know the type. They take one rule in isolation and ignore the fact that in context it can be modified by others. The expression “not in itself” is entirely alien to them. “But it says… !”
The trouble is that there are far too many people of that mindset making and enforcing the law these days. That mostly manifests itself in the inverse: the law doesn’t prohibit some specific act (although in practice it actually does), so Something Must Be Done.
Is there a moniker for a Karen who self identifies as a male huminoid?
I have never understood people who abuse those who can make life easier for the objectionable. That includes paying customers as well as the dorks who think that being rude to others will make life better long term. They will get exactly what they are entitled to and not a smidgen more.
That’s what happened here. He paid for a CBT course and got one. I was not going to provide DAS training or take him to test. He has only himself to blame for that.
I searched for CBT and DAS on line successfuly.
Then searched for where on a bike the “apex” is, and how the rider can get nearer or further away from it. But it seems to mean the point where the bike is nearest to the side of the road regardless of rate of turn. The bike could almost have completed the turn and be nearly moving in a straight line at the “apex”.
I learned my two wheel cycling a long time ago on a “pedal bike” and how a corner is taken depends on many things – view ahead, camber, gradient, road surface, etc. Even the consequences of it going wrong. In country lanes be ready to come round a corner and be faced with a road’s width of cow’s backsides, separated from you by a layer of frictionless cow shit.
Fortnine covers this technique rather well.
https://youtu.be/U1mSavQ_DXs
All the bullshit about the apex is Rodriguez-Lay trying to be clever and failing.
It took me a long time to get around to taking and passing my motorbike test. Looking back on my younger self I see a bit of a prannet, riding around with his ‘L’ plates on for years on end, a bit pathetic really. Of course back then you could ride around on a 250 for ever without taking your test, things have changed a bit since then.
There are lots of interesting and amusing stories from people who work with the public here.
https://notalwaysright.com/
Highly entertaining, LR.
As a tale told in hindsight, yes, it is. At the time, though, it was awful. Rarely have I met someone so obnoxious, causing me to constantly bite back what I was feeling.
Much sympathy based on chalkface experience; it’s horribly demoralising dealing with this kind of thing when you have done everything properly – although at least you didn’t have to worry about his parents coming in to shout at you.
If he’s still behaving like a stroppy teenager at the age of 41, there was never any hope of getting him to see sense or cooperate with an instructor. I wonder what he does for a living, and how that is going.
I don’t think he told me what he does for a living – or if he did, it faded amongst the boasts and bragging about his motorcycle prowess. He came to a training event with the attitude that there was nothing we could teach him. He really only wanted a bike to go to test on, which he could have done for himself.