…Comes around. In 2004, I set this place up in direct response to the attacks on our civil liberties by the Blair government. Specifically, their nasty ID cards proposals. We defeated them eventually. Or did we? Like a bad smell, it is back. This time under the party that went into that election with the proposal of abolishing the idea.
Fucking scum, the lot of them. Every single one the WEF puppets. So, nearly twenty years later, the battle is about to start again. For fuck’s sake!
And not far behind, digital currency so we’ll be well and truly screwed.
I think terrorists did not anticipate how much success they were going to have in altering our way of life, even if it is mostly indirectly.
Playing devils advocate here. Back in 2004 I worked for a Transport company who had a contract woth a global import/export business off Cranford Lane in Middlesex, close to Heathrow Airport. I was a LGV driver working nights hauling goods in and out of the cargo terminals in and around the airport. Because the goods were bonded, I was obliged to carry an identity card with me at all times. The warehouses wouldn’t contemplate loading or unloading me without it, despite them knowing me. The same applied to customs or if I was stopped by the police ( which I never was ). Because I had to run abroad with bonded cargoes, I also always carried my Passport. I cannot see how carrying an identity card is some sort of imposition on anyone’s freedom, especially as all driving lisences now have a photo card as issued. I’m 65 y/o and retired. Unfortunately the U.K. has changed out of all recognition to when I was a lad in the seventies. Under M.Thatcher the U.K. as a society, started changing, much for the worse and her administration’s malevolence was further forged and indelibly stamped onto the fabric by Tony B. Liar and his vile cronies. Sadly, the days of being able to be accepted on who you are by your word has long gone. Even 20 years ago young students working in garages where I used to refuel wouldn’t believe that I worked for a legitimate company and start the pump unless I showed them a fuel card, even though it was obvious I was legitimate by the company’s name written on the side of the truck. Somehow, I think identity cards will arrive in the U.K. as they have everywhere else in Europe.
I’m not British but I have lived here long enough to know that without Thatcher, this country would be way worse.
It is a question of your relationship to the state. The state is not your master, certainly not your friend, so you should be able to go about your lawful business without having to justify yourself. You’re just a servant otherwise.
Having to carry identification for particular reasons is voluntary, which is the whole point.
See monoi’s response. I do not need the state managing my identity. Indeed, I am actively opposed to it having anything to do with the matter, given that the state is not just a bad actor, it’s downright malicious. This is the toe in the door for the Chinese social credit system, a means of control that Blair was wetting himself over. It’s pure bloody evil.
Utterly wrong about Margaret Thatcher
Who was wrong? JohnnyRVF or Monoi?
Living in Spain, I am in the process of renewing my identity card which post-Brexit is an extra joy. This is something that you have to carry at all times and indispensable for checking into a hotel, rent a car, catch a plane etc.
We live in a nanny state.
Not being funny, but if you take your information from those dumb, trolling arseholes at The Lotus Eaters then you’re off on the wrong foot from the start
Ad hominen fallacy, poison well fallacy and verging on guilt by association fallacy.
There is nothing wrong with everyone carrying an ID card in itself. The problem is that it would grant the State a massive amount of power which it has repeatedly demonstrated it can’t be trusted with.
You’re forgetting that the massive fines which us plebs were subject to if we, god forbid, changed residences without telling our lords and masters within a relatively short period, yet if you’re a multimillionaire just keep paying the fines and the ID laws simply didn’t apply to you.
Another irritation was that it didn’t apply to everybody, so ID cards couldn’t be forced on residents of Northern Ireland because of the Good Friday agreement, so lots of us with Irish parents and grandparents used our Irish Constitutional rights and got an Irish Passport with the citizenship that came by birth (I got mine in 2008).
We did this (‘cos I ain’t the only one) to frustrate the UK Governments power over us, not because we have any particular love of Ireland.
To this day, I only hold an Irish Passport, I have not held any other passport since my Manx Passport expired a few years ago.
So if ID Cards are resurrected from the dead, myself and others will continue to frustrate them by refusal to comply.
That won’t work this time. The WEF are behind this move and all EU countries are signed up to it. There is nowhere to run. But, yes, I’ll be a spanner in the works whenever I can.
Sure, maybe. We’ll see. It doesn’t take much in the way of refusal to comply to turn such bureaucratic mechanisms to shit.
That’s the plan. It only takes a few grains of sand to bring a machine to a halt.