Can I see Granny at Christmas?
So can I see my mum or not? Families left in limbo by last-minute Christmas bubble changes in Wales and Scotland demand urgent answers… so what ARE the new rules?
Given the complete abdication of reason by politicians and journalists, it really is up to us. So, as an individual, you must decide upon the level of risk. Personally, I will be seeing my father and no politician will be stopping me.
The relaxation was thrown into jeopardy by rising infection rates and warnings that the freedoms would cause a spiralling death toll and the NHS to be overwhelmed.
And still they peddle their lies. The NHS is no more overwhelmed than it is this time every year and positive test results are not the same thing as infections. How dare they suggest that our freedoms are theirs to give. As for that spiralling death toll – winter 2019/20 was a bad flu year, not out of the ordinary for bad flu years. I notice that they have now started counting that in with this flu year (2020/21) in order to make a fairly normal autumn look worse than it is. This is called lying.
Anyway, back to the rules. The rules – as Peter Hitchens has repeatedly pointed out – have no basis in science. Indeed, there is no evidence of their effectiveness whatsoever. What will be will be. So, make your own mind up.
Hopefully, this whole nonsense will crumble as people start to realise that the rules make no sense and the politicians have no idea what they are doing and whatever they are doing is not for our benefit anyway.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson advised people to have a ‘merry little Christmas’, saying the three household bubble law were ‘maximums, not targets to aim for’.
It is not for Boris to tell us how many people we meet up with, so he can stick that one where the sun don’t shine.
Scots were told by Nicola Sturgeon that meetings should be outdoors but those inside should only be for one day, and people should not stay overnight.
Because, as we all know, the virus waits outside during the day until we have gone to bed, whereupon it comes in to infect people and kill them. Do these idiots have any inkling about how risible their pronouncements are? Rhetorical question – if they did, they would be doing something useful and productive with their lives instead of being politicians.
Much like the fall of the Soviet Bloc, this will fall apart when there is mass disobedience and I suspect that Christmas will be the point where this starts to happen. They can’t arrest and fine us all. And the more there is disobedience, the more people will realise – those who can reason, anyway – that the rules are nonsense and we might just as well go back to normal. I foresee it dying with a whimper rather than a bang.
I’m going to ignore Boris and see my family if I want. The only people out of my circle of friends who are taking this bullshit at all seriously are those who get ALL their news from the BBC. Boris can bugger off.
I think the closure of schools back in March, which would have let the virus spread amongst the children into the summer and remove this massive transmission potential, should be sufficient to have that bunch of evil c-word lined up against a wall and shot, a la Ceaucescu style.
Monoi
Certainly some kind of Nuremberg style tribunals will be necessary for the cabinet, the leadership of the devolved administrations and SAGE. I think that!’s hard to argue against. With the ECHR removed Tim Worstall’s Multi person gallows might get quite a workload
What virus is that then?
Oh! You must be talking about the one that the CDC cobbled together from 37 fragments of the flu and other alien material, because they found it impossible to isolate a complete sample. They then passed on this information so that a fake vaccine could be made to fit the fake virus. Those members of SAGE are having a whale of a time with their new found power. Whitty – former Glaxo Smithkline. Valance – former Pfizer (worked with Dr Mike Yeadon, who only just stops short of naming Valance as a charlatan). Follow the money.
Whitty, Valance, Gates, Fauci, Hancock – all big buddies.
Doesn’t matter whether it is a new strain or not, the outcomes are the same. We are way beyond any arguments about that now. We are having to deal with rampant authoritrainism, micromanagement and, yes, charlatans such as Whitty and Valance.
When I worked as an auditor, there were strict rules regarding potential conflict of interest. I was not, under any circumstances, allowed to audit organisations with which I had a commercial interest, because it was a conflict of interest. You’d think this fairly obvious and a good thing. Not if you are a member of SAGE, it would seem. And no one seems to be concerned about it. There was a time when journalists would have been all over it.
“Not if you are a member of SAGE, it would seem. And no one seems to be concerned about it. There was a time when journalists would have been all over it.”
That’s because as we all know, the entire MSM establishment is bought and paid for, and alternative media is being gagged. The average man in the street has nowhere else to get news from other than the propaganda box in the corner. In the USA, Project Veritas has been secretly recording the daily meetings at CNN, deciding what to report on, what to leave out and what to twist into lies. Those people we call ‘bed wetters’ who advocate masks and living like a hermit are just ordinary people who are scared out of their minds. I don’t blame them for believing the lies, I blame the liars. This is how ordinary people are trained..
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OA2CnYZRDzmR/
True. Plus they’ve been fear mongering ‘second wave’ for six months – why have they not planned and increased capacity? What about the empty Nightingale hospitals?
If NHS stopped infecting patients with C-19 ~20% (40% in Hampshire) they’d be in a better place
Exactly. This how it was before March and Gov’t should never have changed it. Gov’t taking responsibility away from public has infantilised public and put Gov’t in a hole and instead of climbing out, they dig deeper
Risk is intrinsic in life, from stepping out of bath, to eating, flying, sailing, driving
Risk is also fun: swing, slide, roundabout, climbing frame…. golf, horse riding, rugby, skiing
My ‘risk assessment’ in late Feb on C-19 was “nothing burger, keep calm and carry on”
“Bravery” redefined by Gov’t
https://youtu.be/b-LHdEUrGa8
@Monoi
What “massive transmission potential”?
Children don’t transmit, even WHO admits this
@Van_Patten
Hancock and Gove first to gallows followed by dithering, bumbling Boris “Not A Leader” Johnson
Update
Summary: Dr Claudia Paoloni says lock everyone up, we don’t want any patients in hospital. We want paid for making Tik-Tok videos
Her University claim/slur was debunked last week. Cambridge tested 10,000 students – zero ‘cases’
“When do we stop the sugar tax and green, orange, red food labelling?”
Tomorrow please, leave us alone you miserable health nazi
Dr Claudia Paoloni Photo
SAGE have employed several behavioural psychologists
Yep
Covert Strategies – A Letter to the British Psychological Society
A breach of psychologists´ professional code of ethics
– https://www.coronababble.com/post/how-the-mean-psychologists-induced-us-to-comply-with-coronavirus-restrictions
– https://www.coronababble.com/post/the-ethics-of-using-covert-strategies-a-letter-to-the-british-psychological-society
Fascinating reading, thanks for the links. I have mailed them to numerous friends and await their responses.
Never mind all that technical bollocks.
What we need to know is the scary colour of this virus and the shape and colour of the mushrooms that grow on it.
Then a sexy name – covid 20, or covid 19.01?
The most depressing thing about this whole virus thing is how willing Joe Public has been to give up his freedoms. Take damned masks, for example. Since masks are about control and not really about the virus, in all probability we are going to have to wear the things for decades, if not for the rest of our lives. And yet the public are only too happy to comply.
I have my doubts that there will ever be mass public disobedience against coronavirus restrictions. Too many people are like sheep.
I agree that the levels of mindless compliance have been depressing but there are signs that this is changing. Apparently a nurse who spoke to the BBC and which I have commented on via the link below is stating that 70% of those that she’s contacted under Test and Trace are not answering and the rest are, at least in my opinion, satisfyingly abusive and evasive to the NHS test and trace drones. She said that the number of people who are cooperative appears to be in a minority. The BBC were obviously wanting people to feel sorry for the nurse and support T and T but I see this level of non cooperation as a form of civil disobedience. https://www.fahrenheit211.net/2020/12/17/at-last-some-britons-say-no-more-bs-britons-not-cooperating-with-test-and-trace/
Read the links in Pcar’s post above. Most enlightening.
“Hopefully, this whole nonsense will crumble as people start to realise that the rules make no sense and the politicians have no idea what they are doing…”
I’m afraid that I don’t hold out a lot of hope. It has been obvious that the government is clueless for a long time and I don’t see many people catching on.
“They can’t arrest and fine us all.”
They don’t need to arrest and/or fine us all, they just need to arrest and/or fine enough of us that the rest think “To Hell with this for a game of soldiers” and give up. I don’t know how many that is but it isn’t all of us.
@FrankH
It would have to be a lot, perhaps running into the thousands before people gave up, and even that would be too many. Other than that, the British are ill informed – as I’ve kept banging on, face coverings, social distancing, curfews, the rule of 6, stay home – they are guidelines, they are not the law. If you choose to ignore any of these guidelines you can’t be arrested or fined because you have not broken any laws or committed any offence.
Its a matter of recognising the difference between a rule and a law. You are not obligated to accept an ‘on the spot fine’ (a ‘fine’ can only be issued in a court of law upon successful conviction), you can opt for being taken to court, where you have access to due process. If you are arrested that leads to a case of wrongful arrest. There was a few hundred cases just after lockdown #1, where people had their fines repaid and the police given a bollocking for being too zealous.
Have you ever seen the market trader’s trick, where the trader’s friend, planted in the crowd jumps up enthusiastically to buy the first item? That’s all it takes, after that there’s an avalanche effect.
Its about time the British public started to grow a pair.
“They can’t arrest and fine us all”
They can’t arrest and fine everyone, but they certainly can arrest and fine anyone who has the balls or the intelligence to stand up to this, as they are few
I have decided that I will follow my own rules and not those of Boris the Baffled and his cohort. This will include wearing a mask in shops to make the staff and older people feel more protected not for my own protection. I see no harm in being nice and offering peace of mind to others that need it. Boris the Baffled and his bubbles and layers sorry tiers can sod right off.
@incredulous
Why? You’re doing what you know is wrong to please others – it’s called peer pressure and weak willed
I have not covered my face mouth and no challenges, people aghast and running away in terror. Staff seem more friendly to me than to others
Rip of your mask, be brave and embrace freedom
@Stephen Brown
Thanks
@Ripper
Wrong. Masks and more are Laws (Statutory Instruments) and you can be fined unless you utter the sacred words “I’m Exempt”
Problem is plod don’t understand laws, guidelines, exemptions etc so they try to provoke you then Breach of Peace or Public Order offence – say “I’m Exempt” “No comment” and nothing else
@Pcar
“Wrong. Masks and more are Laws (Statutory Instruments) and you can be fined unless you utter the sacred words “I’m Exempt”
Please direct me to those statutory instruments so that I may read them. To my knowledge, fines only apply to a court of law and they need both a hearing and conviction to do that. PCN’s are not fines. You can refuse to pay a PCN, then they take you to court and fine you. If you don’t pay the fine you go to prison – that’s for non payment of the fine, not the PCN.
“Why? You’re doing what you know is wrong to please others – it’s called peer pressure and weak willed
Snip….
Rip of your mask, be brave and embrace freedom”
So by your logic, you are inciting incredulous to break the law. Incitement is illegal too and that is a real offence. Speaking for myself, I don’t care what others choose to do, if you are knowledgeable that its a scam as incredulous clearly is, then its not weak willed to consider other’s feelings. Way to go, to educate the scared people Pcar.
Although I’m an arch sceptic, I will pay attention to those around me. There’s a balance to be struck between standing firm and just being pleasant to others. There are times to fight the good fight and times to just let it go.
Exactly LR, although I know masks are bullshit, I choose to wear one when entering the shops. Reason – why should I cause trouble for ordinary people, struggling to stay in business and put food on the table? There are those also, who have been scared out of their wits. On the odd occasion you can get through to them but more often than not, they refuse to believe you because the fear outweighs everything. I’m not talking about the virtue signalling mask Karens here, in fact I’ve not met one yet. The key to getting through to these people is by polite, calm conversation and respecting their choice – because it is their choice not mine. Barking orders at them to remove the mask and questioning why they have not made the same choice as you, will not change anyone’s mind, in fact it just makes one look like a prick.
There is a thread over at Samizdata on this subject at the moment. Overall people seem to be fairly pragmatic about it all.
Oops, forgot to add yesterday
The Risk to Granny [is low]
https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-risk-to-granny/
@Ripper
Tomorrow
@LR
I try not to ‘offend’ at work, but sometimes it’s necessary. Outside work I’m friendly, kind, helpful, observant, polite, respectful; but if you don’t like my appearance (biker, goth, gentleman, smart casual) that’s your problem
To make it PC – if I don’t wear mask, how is that different from not wearing male clothes when male?
@Ripper
Is this too difficult for you?
https://www.google.com/search?q=mask+law+england+si
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020
Statutory Instruments 2020 No. 791
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/contents/made
Saying one can claim exemption is not incitement – many people are suffering mental & physical health problems, but scared of reaction if don’t wear
Certainly is, my 80 year old mother was scared of reaction if she didn’t wear mask, even though made her breathless, dizzy and sight problems
Took months to persuade her, but she’s happy & maskless now with her Free from supermarket Sunflower Lanyard
As I said, ignore peer pressure, do what you want and is best for you. As the drug ads said “Just Say No” – LR & I did
I’ve had some small successes with this one.
@Pcar
I have to confess I didn’t know about the SI’s. So they’re not guidelines then, however it doesn’t change anything about fixed penalties. Those are still not fines, they have no form of redress except by refusing to pay and going to court if necessary. The legislation is unworkable anyway since firstly it is not against the law to lie to a police officer (false name/address) or, as they often tell people ‘you have the right to remain silent’ (courtesy of Rob Warner at Crimebodge). But that just applies if you come up against the police, which is very unlikely just by entering a shop without a mask. And even then you have a reasonable excuse and plod cannot force you to say why you are exempt or demand any proof of it.
So really, none of that matters. I’m sorry to hear the story about your mother, I know a few people like her – used to being law abiding, trusting in authority and frightened of what others may think of them. My own parents are long gone and this year has been an occasion when I’ve thanked the lord for that.
I used to think that no one could be so fearful in the face of something which is so obviously a hoax, and I’m not just talking about the elderly.
@Ripper
C-19 FPNs – my advice has always been “Refuse to accept”. Gov’t, CPS and plod do not want a court hearing. It’s why most arrested at Freedom rallies to stop them speaking are realesed without charge after 22 hours and plod added tactic of impounding hired PA Equip as ‘evidence’
I first came across SI’s in 1992 on MBA when researching, in Law Libarary, a potential case I had against a big-co
Didn’t know if they were Law or Guidance, asked our Law Prof lecturer and Lawyers on MBA – they didn’t know. Week later Prof came back with “Asked colleagues, they don’t know”
SI said I was correct, but had to drop as uncertain if Law
Frankly, I believe they should be ended as they’re rubber stamped laws with no parliamentary scrutiny or vote (introduced in 1947) and used for EU Laws