You will notice as the horror in the middle east unfolds that the usual suspects cannot bring themselves to do the decent thing and condemn this bloodshed.
Jeremy Corbyn has risked fresh fury by suggesting Israel’s ‘occupation’ is the root cause of the Hamas attacks.
The former Labour leader refused to single out the terrorist group for condemnation, saying he was against ‘all violence’.
As I recall from a couple of years ago, saying that all lives matter was condemned as a cop out. It was factually true, but I am holding these people to their own terms of refence here. Hamas is objectively evil. Its stated aim is to eradicate the Jews and wipe Israel off the map. Now, any decent, civilised person would recoil at such evil scum. Not, it seems the usual suspects. And by their silence shall you know them.
In a bad-tempered exchange with journalists on the fringes of the party’s conference in Liverpool, Mr Corbyn said the way to end the ‘terrible situation’ was to ‘end the occupation of Palestine by Israel’.
I believe this is what they call victim blaming. Again, I use their terms of reference.
Let me make my position crystal clear – I despise Hamas and all that it represents. I despise the Palestinian cause, because I deplore their desire to engage in genocide against the Jews (and, yes, I am using the word correctly). I would have no qualms about a response that involved wiping out Hamas and everyone who supports it. You don’t negotiate with a group that wants you dead. You kill them. That is the only negotiating that they will understand.
‘As I recall from a couple of years ago, saying that all lives matter was condemned as a cop out…’
Indeed. But as we all know, if it wasn’t for double standards, they wouldn’t have any, would they?
I read to today that a young Israeli woman, who was a campaigner against compulsory military service, was one of those murdered by Hamas. Her body was stripped naked and paraded through the streets in the back of a truck by those scum. These are the creatures that Corbyn considers his friends.
Yup. Easy to condemn if you have an ounce of humanity.
Comments at Daily Sceptic website are very disturbing. Perhaps their views on covid and Ukraine are as sick and twisted too.
” [Hamas’] stated aim is to eradicate the Jews … ” Could you provide a credible source for this assertion?
And as for “You kill them. That is the only negotiating that they will understand” … it’s worthy of a cartoon Cockney taxi driver, innit?
It’s in their Charter isn’t it?
Yup.
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I’d say that’s pretty clear. Not that they have ever made any secret of it.
No. How do you negotiate with an enemy whose sole motivation is your annihilation? Kill them or they kill you. Nothing cartoonish about it.
Yale Law Library okay?
The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.
Palestine as defined by Hamas includes all of current Israel.
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Ahh, the left.
All the usual obfuscation.
‘Please provide many documented sources to prove the sea is blue’.
‘Now look the other way while I do an ad hominem.’
Their playbook never changes.
In return they quote from statistics for leftists or the Grauniad and consider the case closed. They count up deaths in either side as though it’s some grotesque football match.
I’m so tired of their shenanigans. The left are the cause of most of the ills of this world.
Happily, almost everywhere except for the UK is rapidly moving to the right.
We will too. Don’t worry. It will take a while, be painful and there will be many deaths.
I just don’t understand this turning the other cheek and forgiving your enemies philosophy. It never works.
” for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.” Well that’s a fucking lie straight off. Plenty of pogroms against jews and christians undertaken by muzzies over the years. Ever wondered where the nazis got the idea of yellow stars for jews ? – from muslims.”The practice of wearing special clothing or markings to distinguish Jews and other non-Muslims (dhimmis) in Muslim-dominated countries seems to have been introduced in the Umayyad Caliphate by Caliph Umar II in the early 8th century. The practice was revived and reinforced by the Abbasid caliph al-Mutawakkil (847–861), subsequently remaining in force for centuries.” source wikipedia.
Simon Webb – who did live in Israel at one point – gives a quite brief and succinct potted history of Gaza.
It’s not a case of being pro or anti Israel or jews, as you say, Hamas is simply evil. It wants to kill for the sake of killing.
It can conveniently rationalise the killing of jews because of Israel (which is far from being as pure as the driven snow), but to kill ALL Jews EVERYWHERE? I don’t think even the fuhrer wanted to do that.
And if Hamas got their way and their cancer consumed the entire planet? They’d kill. They would rationalise reasons to kill and if there was nobody else they’d turn on each other.
Jussi wrote: It’s in their Charter isn’t it?
Longrider: “Yup. Article 13 There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer.”
You haven’t given a source for Hamas’s charter, but even if you’re correct, this doesn’t say that Hamas’ stated aim is to eradicate the Jews.
LR [claiming to quote Hamas charter] “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam invalidates it, just as it invalidated others before it”. I’d say that’s pretty clear.”
It doesn’t say that Hamas’ stated aim is to eradicate the Jews.
LR wrote: “How do you negotiate with an enemy whose sole motivation is your annihilation? Kill them or they kill you. Nothing cartoonish about it.”
You haven’t shown that Hamas’ “sole motivation is your annihilation”.
DocBud wrote: “Yale Law Library okay?”
No, but let’s pretend it is for a moment:
“The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.
Palestine as defined by Hamas includes all of current Israel.
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up.”
… it doesn’t say that Hamas’ stated aim is to eradicate the Jews. The state of Israel, yes. Jews, no.
Splitting hairs in order to defend the indefensible.
Indeed. Read Stalin’s 1936 soviet constitution and then look at the reality.
Curious as to what would pass muster as a credible source in your eyes.
In terms of who Hamas is willing to kill in pursuit of its aims, let’s just judge it by its actions. And let’s also judge individuals by the murderous, brutal, inhumane terrorist organisations they seek to justify.
Clear enough for you? I don’t plan to engage with your sophistry and hair splitting any further.
It’s not entirely clear that Hamas wrote that.
Okay, really, one last word. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and prove it beyond all doubt.
They put that in their Charter.
Yup. Article 7. Hence my irritation when asked for a credible source, I give it, but apparently that’s not enough.
With the US and EU tied up with the Ukraine and China moving into position for Taiwan the Israel will never have a better time to get rid of these terrorists for ever.
Corbynite in the comments methinks!
Having a relative who engaged in exactly the same Bullshit , Phoebe Cates has it down to a tee. Demanding documented proof of the blatantly obvious while engaging in as hominems on their side. As you say, a bullet is the only ‘negotiation’ required with these people.
Latest news – Hamas beheaded babies when they massacred the inhabitants at kibbutz Be’eri. Less than animals . Hamas wanted a ceasefire but so far Israel has told them to go fuck themselves. Personally i don’t think that therer are any adult innocents in Gaza. Hamas members must be a numerical minority in Gaza, so if the majority had any conscience they’d try to boot them out. As they don’t even try, that in my mind speaks volumes. I love that Israel has cut off electricity, gas, water and food- if the gazans want to emulate 7th century arabs, they will get it good and hard.